Hunting African Species??

[woodstoka]

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[woodstoka]

i could never bring my self to shoot an animal like that

[grizzly]

:( i cant see it :cry: :!:

[woodstoka]

ill try again for ya mate

[woodstoka]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/woodstoka/Gerrie_Giraff4.jpg

[woodstoka]

that should work mate

[bobzila]

i dont no about killing it but i would love his skull next to my bed :D

[grizzly]

can see it now thanks
be stuffed if i know why someone would have the need to shoot it
yer could be a nice trophey but imo itd be even nicer to stalk up close and get some live video footage to remember it by

[humphrey]

i really dont count people that take these types of animals as hunters. i think they are just really warped in the brain. :evil:

[bobzila]

i dont see the differents between giraff and a big goat :D

[HOOD]

Not my idea of a trophy/hunting either.
He could have removed the arrow for the photo to :x

[Sparra]

If they are allowed to be hunted I guess that It's ok..As far as we know they may be a pest over there,I think we went down this path with the elephant thread...Anyway,each to there own but not for me...

[jindydiver]

Shades of the elephant threadÖÖ :roll:


I read the story behind that hunter and his trophy some time ago on one of the US boards. He paid the locals the appropriate amount and did everything within the law and according to the principles set out in the Campfires Program and so is on solid ethical ground. The arrow was put back in for that pic to show the shot placement (why I donÃ*t know, but that is what he did) and he had many other pics of it without the arrow. Why the one with the arrow in it showed up here is anybodyÃ*s guess.

If I had an urge to hunt African game, and the money to participate in the Campfires program, I would shoot one of those in a heartbeat. Or try at least, I canÃ*t imagine how hard it would be to get 30 metres from an animal that enjoyed that high a viewpoint on the surrounding plains.

And Humphrey. People who use crossbows are looked at as less than hunters by many others too. :wink:

[bowriver]

Jindy said "I would shoot one of those in a heartbeat". True that, all though it may not be for everyone, if it is legal and ethical why should there be a problem? I would imagine a giraffe would be much easier to take down quickly than an elephant. I see the girrafe in the same way as a camel really, has anyone here ever hunted giraffe? Maybe they can tell us what its like. Humphrey why are they warped in the brain? How is hunting giraffe different from hunting any animal? Call me crazy but thats how i feel.

[GladstoneCrow]

8) Each to his own. I wouldn't personally hunt them as I wouldn't hunt Bear. I don't see them as a feral introduced pest as we have here. Maybe if we grew up in that environment we would have different values in repect to what we hunt or not .......Crow 8) 8)

[barebow]

Each to their own I suppose but unless I could utilise it's meat,skin etc I wouldn't. 8)

[RazorX]

I myself think that every living creature has an equal right to life. I don't believe that some animals have more of a right to live than others. To me, an ant's life is as significant as my own. I guess it really comes down to personal choice about what you do and what you don't shoot. The reality is, hunting is about taking another creatures life. That is part of the thrill of it along with the stalk, the skill involved in the shot and being out and about with mother nature.

I reckon every hunter has his and her regrets about game that they have and haven't taken, but in the end, hunting is a journey that provides you with wisdom, expertise and ethical judgement over time. You learn to take what you want and need for food, skins and trophy's and preserve your hunting areas by not wiping out every animal in sight.

In the end, it is the hunter's choice what they do and what they don't kill, but ultimately, a true hunter should be able to give a valid reason of why they took the animal's life. Just saying "because I felt like it" doesn't suffice in my opinion.

[jindydiver]

Not having a go at you Razor, but your post brings up an issue close to my heart.

ìI hunt because I feel like it, it is what I want to doî is a perfectly fine position to have and one which we, as hunters, should be defending as best we can. If we are to go down the road of trying to justify our pastime, or to produce ìvalidî reasons for our hunting we will find ourselves without a leg to stand on before long. Take the position some use as hunting being the only way to control feral animals (and all the arguments used to support that position). As bow hunters we canÃ*t claim that at all, as rifles are much more efficient and our choice to make the hunt harder waters down any argument we can make about our ìcontrolling feralsî.
We CHOOSE to hunt, and we must defend our right to CHOOSE to hunt at every turn.

And woodstoka calling the thread "stupidity" does more to bring down bowhunting than a lot of what antihunters can manage.

[humphrey]

i only think these people are warped because i cant get my head around why they take an interest in hunting such a beautiful creature. yeah sure deer and moose and elk are also beautiful creatures, but i think girrafes, elephants, rhinos etc are in a different category. dont know why, but i just think they are.

and razor x, you said that your life is no more valuable than an ants. so does that give me the right to hunt you down? :lol: :wink:

and lucky for you jindy you were only having a joke, but remember i also shoot a curve! :roll:

[humphrey]

i apologize bowriver. i meant razor x.

and i hope jindy is joking, cause im pretty sure he gets out there hunting with a rifle also. :P

[jindydiver]

Nope, wasn't joking.

I do hunt with a rifle, a lot in fact, but I don't go round telling anybody that the way they choose to take the game they chase is any less acceptable than what I do.

On the other hand we have Humphrey telling the world he thinks anybody who hunts an animal he thinks of as "beautiful" donÃ*t count as hunters.
I was just telling you that I have heard people say exactly the same thing about crossbow shooters (and rifle users for that matter).

And you can say what you like about me using a rifle to fill my freezer, I donÃ*t give a ****, because I hunt for me, no-one else, and others opinion of what I do doesnët even show on my radar (ask anybody who has hunted with me).

All this crap about who is or isnÃ*t worthy to be calling themselves a hunter is just pure bull**** and just panders to the divisive tactics that the anti-hunting crowd have been using on us for years.

And I too am curious about what you meant about me being lucky Humphrey.

[jindydiver]

And I doubt Jindy was joking .

You know me too well I thinks :wink:

[rinaldo]

On the other hand we have Humphrey telling the world he thinks anybody who hunts an animal he thinks of as "beautiful" donÃ*t count as hunters.
I was just telling you that I have heard people say exactly the same thing about crossbow shooters (and rifle users for that matter).

And you can say what you like about me using a rifle to fill my freezer, I donÃ*t give a s@#t, because I hunt for me, no-one else, and others opinion of what I do doesnët even show on my radar (ask anybody who has hunted with me).

All this crap about who is or isnÃ*t worthy to be calling themselves a hunter is just pure bulls@#$ and just panders to the divisive tactics that the anti-hunting crowd have been using on us for years.


Couldnt agree with you more, lets not go all Disney and give an animal human traits because we find it beautiful. If its legal and can be done ethically go for it. As far as naming this thread " Stupidity" some people feel the same way about hunting in general lets not shoot ourselves in the foot.

[humphrey]

you all love to say things like 'i respect other peoples opinions' etc but that doesn't stop you trying to bring them down when they differ from yours.

[humphrey]

and no i wasn't having a go at you for hunting with a rifle.
i have a few friends that do both and it doesn't bother me.

your quick to have a go at me for not liking people that hunt girrafes and elpehants, but what about you coach? you said that you couldn't say on here what you thought about guys hunting girrafes, so it must also be of a similar opinion to mine. so why arent we having a go at coach?

[jindydiver]

Yep, thatÃ*s me. I have no respect at all for people who display a bigoted nature. If you have no respect for others you canÃ*t turn around and ask for some in return









your quick to have a go at me for not liking people that hunt girrafes and elpehants, but what about you coach? you said that you couldn't say on here what you thought about guys hunting girrafes, so it must also be of a similar opinion to mine. so why arent we having a go at coach?


You assume he has a similar opinion to you. Coach kept his to himself, and that makes all the diff'

[humphrey]

well i reckon its better to say whats on your mind.
and no where did i say that i dont have any respect for anyone or that i felt like i deserved any. i couldnt give a toss whether anyone respected me or not. its an over used and over rated word.

[humphrey]

didn't say i had none for anyone else, just dont care if people have any for me. :D

[ed]

Isn't feral, and isn't overpopulated. I suppose we in Australia have more emphasis on hunting ferals, but there are many trophy hunters out there too.
I'm with Humphrey on this one.

[humphrey]

thanks ed. :D
i will however re-phrase what i said about this guy being a 'hunter'.
yeah sure he is a hunter in that sense, but paying a massive amount of money to hunt a giraffe will never make sense to me.

[maxy]

On the girraffe issue, i personally wouldnt - but whatever floats your boat - do you rekon he mounted it on a sneak form? :shock: :shock:

As for the Humphery/Jindy/coach *****fight - in the words of the great Ray Warren TURN IT UP!!

Maxy

[Mozza]

do you rekon he mounted it on a sneak form?

:lol: :lol: :lol: , nice one maxy
I think whatever floats his boat, I personally wouldn't really want to hunt one, but if he does, good for him

[Barry]

Ok to an extent I agree with Humpfrey; that is to say, that I have no desire to hunt Girraffe and have a negative opinion on hunting them.

However Jindy makes some very good points; 'Who is to say that my opinion is right and should be the basis for other peoples decisions.' I am certainly not that arrogant.

I may have my own reasons for hunting and my own justifications but they are MINE. We should be very carefull about getting caught in making judgements because that just opens the way for anti-hunters to make judgements about us.

If it is done ethically and legally then we need to publically support it. Bringing our own individual tastes and moralities into it is just shooting ourselves in the foot.

Doesnt mean you cant have an opinon but for the benefit of the sport we should follow Jeff's lead and keep it off open boards..

LOL!!! Who would have thought I would be sayint that :wink:

[Barry]

By the way I re-named this thread.

[Howling Dog]

I wonder if there is a forum based in Africa, debating us shooting kangaroos! :wink:

[grizzly]

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[Axe]

[quote="rinaldo"]

Couldnt agree with you more, lets not go all Disney and give an animal human traits because we find it beautiful. If its legal and can be done ethically go for it.quote]

IMO the above statement is as contentious as this whole issue / debate, a debate that is based on personal opinions & preferences, therefore one that no-one will win
Not only, but I believe it's a debate that eventually becomes based on personalities & becomes an argument rather than an exchange of thoughts, much as the issue of ethics of which everyone has a differing & sometimes passionate view

As a serious hunter I believe there are many animal species that I could take successfully according to my hunting ethics & skill, & are legal to take, but I choose not to because to me they are special for one reason or another, maybe because I think they are beautiful, my choice, does this mean I should be ridiculed, I think not!

Even if something can be done according to ones own ethics ie fair chase, clean kill etc, does not necessarily mean that it should be killed just because it lives & is available

I got a dog that has some human traits & she's beautiful. One human trait she ain't got is tell'n others what to think & how to behave, far as I'm concerned puts her tiers above many humans

[Barry]

Axe that was VERY well said, exactly the words I as trying for.

So lets just leave it at that.

[Pete]

I havn't read all the replys and I'm not going to bother writing a big reply. i'm sick of explaining to these people who can be just as bad as the antis.

people who tell other people what should and shouldn't be hunted are missing a big point of what hunting is about. and that it is a personal thing.
I hunt for myself and so do most hunters, and if you do, and not just to impress others then you would understand that.

who cares :roll: