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If bow hunting was banned :cry: what would would you do?
BEAR
I would have to keep on shooting at targets I guess. :cry:
Rick.
I'd be moving to another country were bowhunting is legal. I have already discussed this with my wife and she agrees.
Adam
jindydiver
12-10-05, 10:09 AM
I agree with Adam. If our country changed so much that bowhunting was banned then I would probably be on the next flight out.
We already checked out some houses in NZ last month :wink:
bowriver
12-10-05, 10:27 AM
I'd wanna move to Canada. Hope my daughter and ger mum are ok with it!
Cheers Paul
I'm with Jindy and Adam, Move over to NZ. Missus is a kiwi and I couldn't get over the difference in attitudes towards hunting over there. It is seen as much as a regular pastime as fishing or rugby.
well - the results are interesting to say the least - but dont suprise me. i love australia for a lot of reasons but if bowhunting were banned i think a bit of my love for my home-country would dissapear. to my way of thinking bowhunting is just as natural as fishing, drinking, sleeping or eating and (of course) there would be huge uproar if these things were even hinted at being restricted. Australia is a very outdoor oriented country, but in the end the minority groups are often the first to loose, and unfortunately we are in the sites of some other groups out there (antis :evil: :evil: :evil: )
jindydiver
12-10-05, 03:31 PM
The problem Brian is that we WERE very much an outdoors country, but with the ever increasing urbanisation of our society we are finding what some of us see as a way of life becoming less palatable to the masses.
Just look at all the media attention on who "NEEDS" a 4WD, and the calls to ban bullbars from urban areas :roll:
There are a lot of people who live in our bigger citys who need a bloody hobbie. They spend all their free time worrying about what others are up to and crying out for laws to make us all like them. It really is pathetic what our country is becoming :(
less palatable to the masses
Is it the masses or just the vocal minorities
Wellsy
jindydiver
12-10-05, 04:24 PM
Same diff' Wellsy. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that :roll:
XTfreak
12-10-05, 06:49 PM
I pretty much gave up all my rifle hunting and shooting to be here with the wife and kids and dont regret it. So guess it would depend on what they wanted to do since where they are, thats where I will be. Though I would still be target shooting.
Bill
bobzila
12-10-05, 07:13 PM
i very much dout the government will ban bowhunting they will just try to restricked it and try to make money out of it. :D
p.s. i am sickend by the poll resolts :(
I was expecting it to be like this(poll). I doubt if they would ban bowhunting like bobzilla says but it is good to see that not many would lay down their bows and take it on the chin. the easier you give up the more they wanna take!
BEAR
I'm with Jindy and Adam, Move over to NZ. Missus is a kiwi and I couldn't get over the difference in attitudes towards hunting over there. It is seen as much as a regular pastime as fishing or rugby.
Same here Memo and members of her family over there have properties on the north and south Islands :D
barebow
12-10-05, 08:04 PM
I t would depend on what the penalties etc would be but there would be no way I would roll over as easy as we did when the rifle buy back went through.
I think I would be like a lot of duck hunters in Qld now,just go and do it with no season or permits and suffer the consequences if caught.
rinaldo
12-10-05, 08:05 PM
I am amazed by the results so much for ethics.
I am amazed by the results so much for ethics.
Ethics :? What's ethics got to do with it????
bowriver
12-10-05, 08:30 PM
Sure you guys are making a point and taking a stand, but after all the roo shooting debate, poaching etc, is it a good idea to see the majority of bowhunters admit they would hunt illegally if they had to in a public forum? Having said that i AM NOT belittleling or critisising the people who voted this way, just saying.
Cheers Paul
rinaldo
12-10-05, 09:26 PM
Ethics What's ethics got to do with it????
I consider obeying the laws of the land as ethical. Poaching is illegal in this country but what the hell lets just jump a fence and break the law because it dosent suit us. Ethics. How can we as bowhunters be taken seriously if we cant even obey the laws of the land?
I think there is a big diff between jumping fences and poaching which was not part of the poll.If I owned a property and it had ferel game on it then who has the right to tell me I can not hunt on it.This is very diff to me jumping a fence to poach.This is somthing I would not do but this was not the question.
KIM
barebow
12-10-05, 09:59 PM
I agree with Kimall here,totally different thing poaching as to hunting on land you have access to.Have never poached in over 35 years of hunting and never would.But that had nothing at all to do with the question.
It is a hypothetical question on what people THINK they would do.There was a lot of people saying a lot of different things when the so called great gun buy back hit a lot of people.What they would do and not do,but in the end there was a very high percentage did the right thing.
rinaldo
12-10-05, 10:01 PM
I think there is a big diff between jumping fences and poaching which was not part of the poll.If I owned a property and it had ferel game on it then who has the right to tell me I can not hunt on it.This is very diff to me jumping a fence to poach.This is somthing I would not do but this was not the question.
No it was not the question but 66% admitted they would break the law, not good PR for hunting. I was trying to make the point that we just cant disregard the laws we dont like, in hindsight this poll is probably not in the best interest of bowhunting or this forum IMO.
Ethics What's ethics got to do with it????
I consider obeying the laws of the land as ethical. Poaching is illegal in this country but what the hell lets just jump a fence and break the law because it dosent suit us. Ethics. How can we as bowhunters be taken seriously if we cant even obey the laws of the land?
Hey, I asked a question, don't jump down my throat. I haven't voted in this poll, so don't assume I have an opinion regarding it, you're the one talk'n jump'n fences & poaching, to date I've done neither
You got a bad habit of tell'n people how to behave, I assume you got no **** on your own door step, (not just to do with bowhunting) otherwise you wouldn't be moralising & cramming your sanctamonious ideology down others throats !
jindy: re your reply to my earlier post - your right on the money there, the urbanisation of australia (and a lot of other countries) is destroying the outdoor cultures. :cry:
rinaldo
12-10-05, 11:05 PM
Hey, I asked a question, don't jump down my throat. I haven't voted in this poll, so don't assume I have an opinion regarding it, you're the one talk'n jump'n fences & poaching, to date I've done neither
You got a bad habit of tell'n people how to behave, I assume you got no s@#t on your own door step, (not just to do with bowhunting) otherwise you wouldn't be moralising & cramming your sanctamonious ideology down others throats !
A.I didnt jump down your throat I was answering a question you asked.
Ethics What's ethics got to do with it????
B.Where in this post did I tell people how to behave?
C.This is an open forum where people are free to post their opinions its hardly cramming ideology down throats
D.Chill out talk about an overreaction
E.**** it dont worry I give up
topendbowman
13-10-05, 04:28 AM
The problem Brian is that we WERE very much an outdoors country, but with the ever increasing urbanisation of our society we are finding what some of us see as a way of life becoming less palatable to the masses.
Just look at all the media attention on who "NEEDS" a 4WD, and the calls to ban bullbars from urban areas :roll:
There are a lot of people who live in our bigger citys who need a bloody hobbie. They spend all their free time worrying about what others are up to and crying out for laws to make us all like them. It really is pathetic what our country is becoming :(
Jindy you hit the nail on the head there... :(
topendbowman
13-10-05, 04:38 AM
I am amazed by the results so much for ethics.
Rin,
Laws have to be seen to be fair..otherwise they are doomed to fail. To this day Jackboot Johnies gun buy back is being seen as farsical and open to ridicule because it was a knee jerk reaction that targeted law abiding people. The unjust laws turned some instantly into criminals.
I am glad to see bowhunters standing up for their rights. We need to do this much more in this country. Our freedoms are slowly being eroded by bureaucrats who are only interested in justifying their existence....
:!:
Warlocke
13-10-05, 06:28 AM
I have three ticks for the poll so I won't put down my selections.
This poll was only directed at say if the goverment or relevant authority banned bowhunting and not for poaching etc. Maybe if the ILLEGAL/LEGAL parts were removed from the poll would people still see it in the same context? say if you had access to large tracts of land where the owners didn't mind for you to continue on with your chosen pursuit would you still bowhunt regardless? In reality anything that gets banned bows,guns,alcahol etc there will always be people that will lay down and take it and those that will not which is overwhelmingly reflected in this poll!
BEAR
On the subject of ethics, Peter Laylor is now an Australian folk hero for his part in the Eureka stockade rebellion against the government of the day.
Just because you choose to rebel against an unjust law does not nescessarily make you unethical.
Nobody doubts Peter Laylor was a man of high moral integrity, and I'm not advocating anarchy, but sometimes you have to make a stand.
Having said this, I have no trouble working within the current laws of the land regards legal bowhunting. :D
topendbowman
13-10-05, 07:23 PM
In reality anything that gets banned bows,guns,alcahol etc there will always be people that will lay down and take it and those that will not which is overwhelmingly reflected in this poll!
BEAR
Right on... :D
bowhunterboy
13-10-05, 07:36 PM
if bowhunting was banned i would pack up my bow my quiver and a dozen arrows and get on the next plane outa here
humphrey
13-10-05, 08:21 PM
i would still hunt with a bow on private land. the owners of the properties i have access to wouldn't give a toss.
as for public land, i reckon it'd be a million to one chance of someone finding me in the areas of state forest i hunt.
would never leave(especially NZ more kiwis than here :lol: ), just keep on hunting. Nothing unethical about it, i would only do it on properties that give me permission
Mick Smith
15-10-05, 09:05 PM
I think there is a fair argument to say that when an unjust law comes into being, it is the right of the populas to defy that law. It's called civil disobediance. It's one way of showing the government exactly what you think of that law. We have a long history of this very thing happening time and again. This civil disobediance highlights the plight of the underdog in the media and places faces on the victims in the public's eye.
Of course acts of civil disobediance would have to take place in mass and the media would have to be aware of what's going on. The solitary act of a bowhunter illegally sneaking out into the bush with a bow and then being sprung wouldn't serve to highlight any injustice of the law. It would bearly make a mention in the daily media.
Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to break this absurd hypothetical law.
Mick
Very interesting little thread this and always good to see the opinions expressed. If bowhunting was banned..it seems to me that the decision is simple. Openly engage in illegal activity..I think not. Migrate to another county..seems a little drastic..No if they were to ban bowhunting..the majority I suspect would do what countless others have done when something they enjoyed doing was banned by the authorities..and that is accept it, adapt and overcome. I recall when crossbows became a prohibited weapon in NSW what happended..crossbow shooters handed in their crossbows and found another interest. After all I am sure that for all of us at some stage in your development bowhunting and archery in general may not have been your principal interest. However, let us all hope that this is not a decision we have to make for many years to come. :D
Johnno mabey I am wrong but you dont sound like a bowhunter with that comment.For some it is not just an interest that you can change like that.
I am sure I am not the only one on here that thinks of little else but bowhunting ALL the time.Please dont dismiss this by saying "O WELL YOU CAN JUST GET ANOTHER INTREST"It means a lot more than this to some.
Cheers KIM
Guys..I love bowhunting, archery and anything and everything to do with the sport..but at the end of the day..as much as you may not care to admit it..its an interest. Let me run this past you..and heaven forbit it comes to fruition..in the event of suffering paralysis or some kind of injury that prevents you from engaging in archery.. do you give up on life and the ones you love..or as I stated..do you adapt and overcome. Maybe I just have a more philosphical view. :D And Jeff..sorry mate..its the laws that make this the best country in the world IMO as without law you have social disorder and anarchy. :D
Johnno I would carry on with this chat around a fire but I cant see any point in this enviroment as I dont feel you understand where I am coming from.One last point I will bring up is IF I was paralized then I would NOT have a choice in what was happening which is totally diff to the original post about the CHOICES we would make.Anyway nuff said from me I hope I wont have to become a criminal any time soon. :D
Cheers KIM
And Jeff..sorry mate..its the laws that make this the best country in the world IMO as without law you have social disorder and anarchy. :D
I disagree, I fail to see how making laws to take away or leisure & interests is instrumental in making this the best country in the world? Do'n their best to make it the most regulated country in the world!
Leisure & interests carried out by law abiding people who cause no-one any harm in their pursuits to attempt to live a happy & contented existence
Then to make our country even better they condone, promote & fund heroin injection rooms...... social disorder & anarchy, you mean things like...allowing minority groups to throw firebombs at police and then use councilling as the deterent?, on it goes....
IMO might be time the law abiding created a bit of social disorder re the fact that they are constantly persecuted & harassed while the real issues of law & order are being shelved for one bull**** reason or another
Johnno, Bowhunting to most of the guys that I have ever hunted with is a huge part of there life. And they won't be lying down and getting the boot if bowhunting was ever banned. This is what we do BOWHUNT, and no law is going to take that from us. Every person has the ability to see what and who is wrong, bowhunting is not wrong; who is wrong is the gov if they ever brought such a law in. Why would I stop bowhunting when I can see its not wrong.
Anyway I can't see how you can speak on everyoneÃ*s behalf, which it sounds like you are doing. Ill be bowhunting till my time is past mate, and I know a lot of other dedicated bowhunters that will be too.
A way of life, bowhunting
Adam
bowriver
17-10-05, 02:09 PM
I dont think any law they bring in will stop bowhunters, if stupid, costly laws could stop people doing something they love would there be any rifle hunters? Or even rifle shooters? Without property access getting a firearm can be very difficult, but that doesnt stop people, just makes it harder and shows that no matter what these people will continue to partake in and support the hobbies that they love, and that the gov cant just tell us what to do, or make things so hard that we dont wanna do them. Nothing can be so hard or unjust as to make me wanna put down my bow, and im only a newbie. I can only imagine how life long participents would feel/react.
Cheers Paul
Hey Boys, I concur with everything you say,,just putting forward a slightly different point of view in the spirt of open debate as is my right aye :D and at no stage Adam have I ever, or will I ever, intend any post past,present or future, to speak on behalf of all concerned. :D and in conclusion in the unlikely event that bowhunting was ever banned..rather than bucking the system, leaving the country and defying the law, it may be far more advantagous to use the system.. and call for solidartity from the world wide bow hunting fraternity, poll your local members, raise petitions and kick up a world wide stink to let the powers that be know that they are dealing with a responsible, reputable and LAW ABIDING group and not some minority group of red neck rebellious rebels...IMO Cheers !! :D :D
jindydiver
17-10-05, 02:46 PM
and in conclusion in the unlikely event that bowhunting was ever banned..rather than bucking the system, leaving the country and defying the law, it may be far more advantagous to use the system.. and call for solidartity from the world wide bow hunting fraternity, poll your local members, raise petitions and kick up a world wide stink to let the powers that be know that they are dealing with a responsible, reputable and LAW ABIDING group and not some minority group of red neck rebellious rebels...IMO Cheers !! :D :D
One would hope that all those things would be on all bowhunters agendas BEFORE bowhunting was banned :wink:
I said I would leave the country, and I mean it. If bowhunting were banned it would be but one symptom of a changed Australia that would no longer be the Australia that I love.
And as for us all being "law abiding", if the federal government continues it's legislative program to it's inevitable conclusion, we will all be breaking the law just by disagreeing with the views of the government. Fighting for your ìrightsî then will be too late.
Bowhunting doesnÃ*t mean everything to me, but hunting does, and if hunting is outlawed then I would have no choice but to leave or break the law. It is real simple for me as it is for many other hunters I know, both bow hunters and rifle hunters.
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