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me and a good mate just finished making a new skinning knife :D (he did 99 % of the work, i watched lots though :oops: ) I absolutely love it.
I took some pics of it being made
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/amozza/DSC_0003.jpg
this is the cutout shape
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/amozza/DSC_0007.jpg
doing the heat treatment
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/amozza/DSC_0001_2.jpg
the finished product (on the goat skin I took with bowriver on the group hunt)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/amozza/DSC_0005_2.jpg
the knife with the sheath[/img]
Nice knife mate look great
your no wrong coach, I couldn't ask for a better knife :D
the handle is ebony that i got given
Yeah, what Coach said :D
I would be extremely happy with that, I really dig the handle.
woodstoka
07-01-06, 07:35 PM
wat do u think of it jindy
looks awsome mozza top job
jindydiver
07-01-06, 07:37 PM
Looking forward to checking it out next w/e :)
woodstoka
07-01-06, 07:38 PM
how long does it take u to make a knife around the same size as mozzas jindy?
jindydiver
07-01-06, 07:45 PM
I didn't make it mate :D
If I were to make one in that style I figure it would take somewhere inbetween 4 and 6 hours of work. I can't really say until I know what sort of grind, whether the guard is just pined or soldered, all sorts of things :)
That doesn't mean that from scratch you can have a knife in 6 hours, that time doesn't include heat treatment and epoxy setting times and what not.
woodstoka
07-01-06, 07:47 PM
ok kool u must of spent heaps of hour cozz your knife collection is awsome :)
Hey mozza thats awsome. I might have to give making one a go soon. looks like fun and if it works out its somthing to be proud about. love the handle too.
Macka
Mick Smith
08-01-06, 01:59 PM
Pretty, damned pretty. :wink:
Mick
brian McLeod
09-01-06, 10:35 AM
Looks like you boys are all easily impressed with a bit of knife work.
Now before I get to *****'n let me state that I'm a toolmaker by trade and can do precision metalworking to a very high standard.
I made myself a skinner from an old flat file in 1984 in one day. It is a drop point in the style made famous by Jim Loveless it has a 5" blade, through tang, oak handle scales brass pins and bolster, did my own heat treatment using sand and clay like the Japanese swordmakers did.
I am still using that knife today 22years on and it has skun a lot of stuff over the years. All who see it admire it and can't believe it's home made. Over the years since then I have made a few other knives for freinds but frankly they are easy peasy and you can only use one at a time.
That said here is some constructive critisism for all you budding knife makers. :wink:
The one in this thread looks quite good, practical blade shape, reasonably even grinding planes, though photos don't show enough detail to really judge.
Hopefully a good, known heat treatable steel was used , if so what?
I like the contrast in the 'ebony' handle though having both heartwood and sapwood is not considered 'best quality'.
I have used Australian Mulga with this light dark characteristic and it does look good.
As a matter of personal taste I don't like the grooves in the handle, they don't flow with the design but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As for Jindys little 'how to' well let's just say don't give up your day job. :shock:
Congratulations for having a go Jindy at least you know a lot more about what goes into a knife than the vast majority who just buy one.
I think it's great that people have a go at projects like this, you learn so much about design and the skills required to produce something you are proud to own and use.
Now I bet you're thinking this bloke has made some big statements let's see him back it up. Fair point, unfortunately I do not have a digital camera to add a pic. but I hope to catch up with coach soon, so maybe he can verify my work and even post a picture for me.
jindydiver
09-01-06, 10:43 AM
As for Jindys little 'how to' well let's just say don't give up your day job. :shock:
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And who are you? your opinion means bugger all to me pal
Lick my sack :roll:
Jagumba
09-01-06, 10:43 AM
The knife looks alright to me. As for your comments Brian about Jindy's knives i have had a squizz at quiet a few of them - and have just ordered one from him. I don't think your comments were warranted.
Cheers
Matt
What Coach said, Brian I think you overstepped the boundary :evil:
I'm speechless :shock: when these pics of yours arrive Brian they had better be worth it.
Anything that someone makes themselves is a good thing and I don't think Mozza is going to throw his knife in the cupboard and say " Bugger... Brian didn't like it, I'd better start again"
Jindy's knives are good enough for me, I have already spoken to him about ordering one.
Dave.
Wareagle
09-01-06, 11:26 AM
Thats the best laugh I've had for ages :lol: :lol:
barebow
09-01-06, 01:07 PM
That knife is purty. :wink:
And who are you? your opinion means bugger all to me pal
Lick my sack
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you funny bugger Mick
Brian the steel is a heat treatable steel, not sure exactly what type,but I could find out for you.
As for the wood on the handle that was just my choice as I was given the piece of timber and loved it, maybe not the best choice but I have a knife handle but I love and it is a very treasured possesion to me as it was more of a gift from a mate.
I hope to get many years of skinning out of it :D
can't wait to see some pics of your knives :shock: :shock:
brian m: i dont think those kind of comments have any place on this site. jindies never claimed to be a pro-bladesmith by any means, but he makes some bloody good looking knives IMO. he knows a lot more about it than most guys i know, and just because you may think you're more of an expert doesnt give you the right to put his efforts down in any way. :evil:
and mozza that IS a bloody nice blade IMO - bet it does a good job too.
inthegreen
09-01-06, 08:51 PM
I think Jindy is a pretty good knife maker and was pretty decent to show some phottos and explain the way he makes knives.It is also good to see others having a go at making there knives.Thats what its all about having a go and helping others out along the way.
Not putting **** on others and degrading them.
Your off to a good start Brian Mc cleod.just my opinion
woodstoka
09-01-06, 09:00 PM
i think jindys knives are wicked and i could never top making my own knife as good as jindys
woodstoka
09-01-06, 09:08 PM
lol coach u shore know how to turn stuff into a laugh :D hehe
Love the knife mozza and I love Jindy's knife aswell. Haven't seen your knifes Brian m but I don't like them already.
Adam
ricochet
09-01-06, 11:08 PM
Here are some photos of some knives my mate has made, some good ones here .
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/ricochetrabbit/TonysKnives1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/ricochetrabbit/Oct2609.jpg
a top effort Jindy on your knives and to any one else who has tried or made a knife, if only i had the patience :)
Rick
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: I cant believe how you could come onto a public forum and try and make yourself sound like the pro god of knives and tell jindy he better not give up his day job! I really like jindy's knives and Mozz's is a beauty. Even if your knives are really good after that little eposode i cant imagine anyone will think real highly of them. No one like a big head so i sure as hell hope someone like's your knives :x.
I do not have a digital camera to add a pic
If your so clever why dont you make one! :roll: :roll:
Nice collection there ric. i like them.
Macka :roll:
I do not have a digital camera to add a pic
If your so clever why dont you make one! :roll: :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I do not have a digital camera to add a pic
If your so clever why dont you make one!
LMAO macca
also brian M i cant wait to see how much one of your knives goes for when you donate one to the site :roll: if jindys go for $300, yours should rake in the dough :wink: :roll:
bowriver
10-01-06, 07:59 AM
Love the knife mozza and I love Jindy's knife aswell. Haven't seen your knifes Brian m but I don't like them already.Adam
Ha ha short and to the point Adam i like it. Mozza i like that knife, and the quality of the handle? Who cares looks awesome, its your knife mate, you like it, we like it, you know yourself the quality of the knife, what you want it for and whether you care if in twenty years time you can jump on your high horse about it on a forum, bag someone else and still say "the handle's in one peice, looks like crap and is an old file but im awesome.Glad i didnt use wood that looked nice.Thank gosh i listened to Brian all those years ago". And the forum will say Brian who?
bowriver
10-01-06, 08:43 AM
Oh by the Way Mick i seen those knives you took on the group hunt last yr. God i can say last year now. And they were beaut! Forget Brian (m that is) Give up your day job! Whatever it is haha cant remeber if you told me. Oh well, noone knows what i do!
barebow
10-01-06, 09:30 AM
There has to be one in every crowd............. :roll:
If I had the talent Jindy has got in making knives I would be a very happy person. :wink:
Mozza I am so damn impressed with that knife, it is a beauty.
Brian, I dont seriously know what you hoped to achieve by that post apart from getting every other member of this site off side???? Thats gotta be in the top ten worst posts for TBGA...
inthegreen
10-01-06, 04:41 PM
Top job you have done with your knife making there fella's.I'm sure you'll get plenty of use out of them.Its always good to make and use something that you have made with your own hands.
As for Brian Mc Loud mouth...."I HOPE YOUR HEMEROIDS FESTER".. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Inthegreen wrote:...."I HOPE YOUR HEMEROIDS FESTER"..
There's a problem with that.
You can't have hemerhoids when you're a perfect a*%hole!
All in all, very dissapointing. If i made any bit of bowhunting gear that i was proud of, i would think twice before posting it now. And that's not what this forum is about.
Puk :(
Thanks coach,
I know that really. I was just having a whinge about what could be the outcome of this rant.
But seriously, if i have anything i want to show you?
I don't know, there might be a picture of me in a dress around here somewhere. :lol: :lol:
Puk 8) [/i]
jindydiver
10-01-06, 05:35 PM
If only my back could handle it I think knives would be my day job
two from today
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/jindydiver/jan-10-06.jpg
I will have to stop now for a good while to let the back recover, I think this weekends hunting is going to be pretty slow for me.
nice work jindy, i really like those micarta handles :)
hopefully my back will be hurting for the weekend too, going chasing some marlin on thursday :wink: :D maybe some yellowfin steaks up in the snowys :wink:
good work jindy
I don't know, there might be a picture of me in a dress around here somewhere.
Puk
You wouldnt be the first
the scary thing is coach, i wouldn't have to give up my day job.
That is for my day job.
(But i only wear the dress on weekends.) :wink:
Puk 8)
Jindy,
those knives look great mate.
Wish i could swing it, but i am saving for a new compound, and need the dollars.
Maybe i'll win one in a raffle one day.
Puk 8)
P.S. I'm with you on that pitted look. I reckon it adds real character.
interceptor
10-01-06, 07:58 PM
WHAT A TOSSER
So far all I see are some fine looking knives.
I'm no expert on blades but my uncle's a butcher and has been for years. The shop he owns won best butcher on the central coast so something's working for him.
When I recently asked him about buying some knives he gave me some simple advice - jist of it: A knife is a knife. If its solid and made well then it does the trick. Who would use knives more than a butcher and he's not fussing. (BTW he also owns several blades including a ninjato as do I.)
The knives posted are obviously well made and have alot of personal/sentimental value (and monetary value as seen by the recent high biddings! :D). Who gives a crap how you used ancient Japanese heating techniques...I think modern scientific metallurgy has advanced far beyond the skills of those 13/14th century masters.
Besides did you use tamahagane to heat the blade.... and coated most of it in a special mixture of ash and clay etc did you? WOW...you're an Expert sword smith like those of ancient Japan!!! I'm sure you prefolded your metal 14 times aswell and you gaurd your secret mixture of clay coating like the swordsmiths used to....
What a joke - Great way to talk yourself up and others down - As for you being a toolmaker - I leave that title to your parents.
As for you being a toolmaker - I leave that title to your parents.
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inthegreen
10-01-06, 11:25 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: ...i think tool handler is more the go.. :lol: :lol:
What a joke - Great way to talk yourself up and others down - As for you being a toolmaker - I leave that title to your parents.
Check mate! :D :D :D :D :D :D
bowriver
11-01-06, 08:16 AM
As for you being a toolmaker - I leave that title to your parents.
hahaha that cracked me up Gos!! Ill have to take a trip up the f3 sometime and help you with your rabbit problem 8)
brian McLeod
13-01-06, 11:05 AM
He's back! the big headed, heamoroid infested tool tosser has returned.
You blokes really entertained and flattered me with all that venom!
Now the only one I had a go at was Jindy and sadly he took it personal and doesn't like me, oh dear how sad.
Apologies first, Jindy I praised ya for having a go and the 'don't give up your day job' jibe was a cheap shot and for that I am sorry.
You see in order to get very good at something you must be able to absorb criticism from other skilled craftsmen in order to progress your own work. You may not like what you hear but you need to analise it honestly, without predudice and apply anything you feel is helpfull to your work.
On this thread I gave constructive criticism and praised the work, the other pictures since provided confirm that this man does good work with a variety of blade styles and materials. I particularly like the stag hanlded
one, well done.
As for some of the rantings about my post, did some of you actually read it at all? The Goss was on about ,did I fold the steel, no, that would be damascus steel and not at all what we are talking about here.
I used an old file(1920s made in Canada) because it is high carbon steel already very hard but provided you grind it cool i.e. no gloves, they're bloody dangerous anyway. as soon as you feel heat in the blade cool in water, if you see temper colours you've stuffed it.
Don't bother trying this with a new file as most files made after WW2 have a silicon content which doesn't like re-tempering.
Someone else was whinging that I didn't like the two tone ebony handle on the knife shown here?
I wrote that I did like the effect and had used Mulga for the same reason, so there!
My reason for saying that only Black ebony was used on 'best quality' handles was to inform , not criticise.
I have been lucky enough to examine many English knives made for our gold rush era (Circa 1860) The best work from Shefield and indeed also Soligen in Germany are very good indeed.When ebony was used it was always dark heart wood.
Barry,if this makes the top ten of nasties received then you haven't had much robust discussion in this forum.
As for those who don't want to buy my knives, I did not and never do intend to offer them for sale, so that didn't hurt a bit.
Mackadalegend, I didn't claim to have expertise in the field of computers and as a young bloke you would know far more than me about this techno stuff. I claim expertise in precision metal work and stand by it!
As for putting **** on the oldest trade in the world apart from prostitution well as hunters you should show more respect.
Lastly( thank god , I hear you all thinking) we could all spend our time 'pissing in each others pocket' and praising up stuff we are not qualified to comment on and in this politicaly correct age that seems to be what goes on here.
I however, will remain a brutally honest , pedantic bastard to the end!
I will be at the Orange Walkabout with my knife if coach brings the camera you can get a look. If you like it I'll make one and donate it.
:lol:
Wareagle
13-01-06, 11:25 AM
Brian Mc LOUD, I think your a d**khead, but I like you already. :D :D
jindydiver
13-01-06, 01:24 PM
What a crock of ****
You see in order to get very good at something you must be able to absorb criticism from other skilled craftsmen in order to progress your own work. You may not like what you hear but you need to analise it honestly, without predudice and apply anything you feel is helpfull to your work.
“In order to progress” I have accepted criticism and instruction from many people that I respect for their ability to turn steel into true works of art. What I have not had until your post is someone who would pi$$ all over my work and then not add one iota of useful information.
And your credibility takes another shot when you give us what appear to be contradictory explanations of how you went about making your one knife.
I made myself a skinner from an old flat file in 1984 in one day. It is a drop point in the style made famous by Jim Loveless it has a 5" blade, through tang, oak handle scales brass pins and bolster, did my own heat treatment using sand and clay like the Japanese swordmakers did.
I used an old file(1920s made in Canada) because it is high carbon steel already very hard but provided you grind it cool i.e. no gloves, they're bloody dangerous anyway. as soon as you feel heat in the blade cool in water, if you see temper colours you've stuffed it.
Don't bother trying this with a new file as most files made after WW2 have a silicon content which doesn't like re-tempering.
And that last quote shows how little you really know. Most files (from reputable tool makers, not from Chinese copy shops) are made from W1 or W2 and yes they both contain silicon (typically up to 0.4%), but they are heat treatable over and over again. Some people, with a lot more credibility that you, actually use them as the base for very successful knife making businesses. Just go to http://www.anzaknives.com/ for an example.
Lastly( thank god , I hear you all thinking) we could all spend our time 'p@#ing in each others pocket' and praising up stuff we are not qualified to comment on and in this politicaly correct age that seems to be what goes on here.
I have not seen one post in this thread where anybody praised anything except the shape or look of any of the knives, and contrary to what you believe, there need be no formal qualification in appreciation of ascetics for someone to know what they like.
You may indeed be able to convince yourself that you are qualified to judge the quality of my work, but you are no better informed on that quality than the others in this thread that only know my work through pictures.
On the other hand I have sold or given to friends close to 50 of my knives, and they all carry a guarantee of workmanship that allows the knife's owner to get a free knife if ever my knife doesn’t live up to their expectation. I have never received any of my knives back, and so I think my work speaks for itself.
bowriver
13-01-06, 02:01 PM
i just dont get what the hell is supposed to be wrong with Micks knives :?: :!: Seen a few of them, in person also, they look awesome, and they obviously work. Also like Jindy said they come gaurenteed and they're not even expensive! Get ya head out of your @ss Brian and show us a picture of your magic knife.
Kind regards Paul
brian m: you smell somewhat like dundee, and your contradictory posts speak for themselves.
stop pissing on our backs and telling us its raining!!!
I received my knife in the mail today. :D
I have only 1 comment to make...Sorry Jindy but you are not getting it back http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/DavidMeredith/good.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/DavidMeredith/good.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/DavidMeredith/good.gif
I found out the metals that were used in the knife today, the blade is an air quenched stainless steel and the guard is nickel silver :)
The Goss was on about ,did I fold the steel, no, that would be damascus steel and not at all what we are talking about here.
One 's' mate....and also one word..."TheGos"
And I know you didn't fold the steel. I was mocking you.
brian McLeod
21-01-06, 09:28 AM
G'Day blokes, sorry I've been slow to respond, on holiday with no computer and loving it.
This thread is going nowhere, can't see the point in us slinging mud at each other endlessly.
I shall PM Jindy in future to avoid all this crap.
I'll still be at orange on 29th Jan , hope coach has the camera with him.
can't see the point in us slinging mud at each other endlessly
SO WHY THE HELL DID YOU START IT! :evil: :x
Nothing but mud slinging was ever going to come out of your first post in this thread...
Luke
jindydiver
21-01-06, 10:19 AM
I shall PM Jindy in future to avoid all this crap.
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Don't bother :roll:
You have nothing to say I would want to read
I've stayed away from this, till I had confirmed the value of my new (Jindys' auction) knife
Before I begin let me say I have also done my time as a boilermaker / blacksmith, doesn't make me a expert knifemaker or pastry cook, just lets me know a bit about metals and their properties
Unless Brian Mc owns one of Jindy's knives I can only assume he is commenting on the beauty aspect, but as he says earlier "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", so IMO it counts for little as far as evaluation is concerned.
Having had my knife for sometime now & having used it on a dozen or so animals, I can say that everything about it is what a knife is about and is equally as good as my miriade of other knives ie Puma, Cold Steel, Boker, Gerber, etc etc.
As far as looks go, maybe not as fancy / pretty as some of my others... to some,... but I like it, especially because of the blades "character"
To give constructive critism one must have knowledge of all aspects of the item being critiqued, which is obviously not the case here, by Brian Mc
You know the old adage " the proof of the pudding is in the tasting"
I know not of your skills Brian, but from what I see here, being tactful ain't one of 'em, as I believe one can be upfront & forthright without insulting. Also to be proud of ones achievements & skills is great, but to blow ones own trumpet is true to the saying "self praise is no recommendation" :)
Go hard Jindy, reckon your knife / knives will be going strong when many others have died :D
Here, Here!
Well said mate :D
Luke
jindydiver
21-01-06, 11:52 AM
Glad it is working well for you Axe :)
Love your new knife Mozza. The handle looks great.
Jindy makes a fine knife too. The crisp/sharp grinds were the first thing to catch my eye.
Thought I mite show one of mine.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e301/jph1970/skinner4.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e301/jph1970/4.jpg
ATS34 stainless,brass fittings and Cocobolo wood scales
Jamie
Trophy Bowhunts
21-01-06, 03:14 PM
Jamie is that what mine is going to look like...
:wink: :wink: :wink:
Mick
Nice knife jamie did you make it?
Hi Mick,
All good things come to those who wait. And Iknow it's been a looooong wait.
It can be if you would like the blade shape that way.
I have a blank roughed out about the same shape as Mozzas knife but there is no problems in doing another.
Yours will be a hiden tang not a full tang as in the picture.
I am waiting for a fileing jig to help with the joint between ricaso and guard.
Piggy. yes I made it :D
jindydiver
21-01-06, 03:58 PM
That is a ripper Jamie
I like the little things like the dovetailed bolster :D
Trophy Bowhunts
21-01-06, 03:58 PM
Jamie..
Just surprise me mate...I'm sure it will be excellent..
Mick
sswwwweeeeeet - another beauty. :D
nice one Jamie :)
how long did it take to make?
Thanks for the positive feed back fellers.
This one took about 60- 80 hours on and off between other projects but I don't really keep track of how long they take.
I like to try different things on each knife I have made hence a few f*#@& ups.
It's all good fun and keeps me out of trouble when not hunting.
brian McLeod
01-02-06, 01:22 PM
Just to let you know that I didn't spot Coach at Orange last weekend, so you don't get to see my knife.(I hope you got a better offer and went hunting Coach).
It was bloody hot on Saturday and you will all be pleased to know that I lost /broke plenty of arrows.
Nice knife Jamie,I particularly like the file work on the bolster but what would I know.
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