Measage form The Game Council ref Conservation hunting

[black sabbath]

I have been Emailing the GC ref the posting on "Conservation Hunting on Public Lands" and below is one of the responces I have from them. If you feel strongly about our sport please read and respond. I know that this is a repeat from another posting , But it is importand subject worth repeating

From the Game Council

(In the meantime, feel free to use this text on your website:)

Do you support licensed, accredited hunting on public land in NSW? If so, voice your support to the Game Council before January 30, 2006 and help counteract negative campaigns by groups that oppose hunting.



Email: prmgr@gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au

Address your correspondence to Mr Brian Boyle, Acting CEO. Or write to: Game Council NSW, PO Box 2506, Orange NSW 2800.

Kind regards,

Nikki

Nikki Tremain

Public Relations Manager

GAME COUNCIL of NSW

'Conservation hunting'

Ph: 61 2 6360 5103 / 0429 991 824

www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au



CENTRAL OFFICE:

PO Box 2506, ORANGE NSW

Australia 2800

Ph: 61 2 6360 5100 / Fax: 61 2 6361 2093



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[black sabbath]

Hi Coach

Yes the letter was sent to me as I had been told that the Anti's are going to target bow hunting soon so I went looking for information.

I work in the chefing industry and one day we got told that we can not handle or cook any sort of shellfish or crabs, lobisters etc unless we have done a approved course on the humane handling of these things..... Mussels have feelings you know........ I do not know where the hell this s#$% come from, but we could do nothing about it now

The I lasted hunted big time was in the early 80's when you could do anything just about. But the system changes. Why? for the reasons you have given and many others.

But I work for a diffrent public sector than the GC, and the one thing I have learned about the public sector is they keep making new rules, system etc etc, but fighting them and winning is near impossible, So I get them to work for me. If we have some sort of input and we MAY end up with something that is usable if not we will end up loosing more than we already have.

I wish I could stop this madness, but I do not know how . So what do we do? I as I am new style of hunting. I have not any place to go I am not those in the "know".... I do not even have a place to get bunnies, so private or public land is all out of range, I have heard of Nat Parks that I can get to, but if you get found out its not good. So what to do.

Some sort of fight is better than know fight at all

[Willy_R]

1 of 3248 pertitions the Premiers office recieve back in 2001 when the 2001 game bill was put forward for objections.


Dear Premier Carr,


The NSW Government has introduced a Bill (Game Bill 2001) to allow the use of any firearm, bow, animal or other hunting device to capture kill or harm animals designated as 'game' or 'pest' animals. Furthermore, the Game Council will be managed by a majority of hunters.

We, the undersigned, are very disappointed that you have introduced a Bill (Game Bill 2001) that will not only allow the infliction of suffering on wild-living animals (classified as game, animals or pest animals), but which is likely to increase the number of animals subjected to suffering at the hands of both recreational hunters and misguided farmers. We urge you to withdraw the Bill immediately.

Notwithstanding our total opposition to the Game Bill, it seems amazing that the Game Council, with no animal welfare representation and total domination by the hunting organisations, is to be the arbiter of a code of practice for the hunters own behaviour towards the game and pest animals.

There are currently two reviews taking place in NSW - the Inquiry into Feral Animals by the Legislative Council General Purpose Standing Committee No.5; and the Inquiry into Vertebrate Pest Management in National Parks in NSW being conducted by Assoc. Prof. Tony English at the request of your colleague Bob Debus. Both reviews were seen as necessary after the brutal killing of goats on Lord Howe Island and wild horses in the Guy Fawkes National Park, the later of which is still the subject of cruelty charges brought by the RSPCA. Neither review has been completed, and it seems premature to propose the Game Bill at this time.

This Game Bill makes a mockery of the NSW Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act and to the established principles of humane and effective management of mislocated and unwanted introduced animals. The hunting organisations seem to be trying desperately to hang on to practices that are outdated and unacceptable to a caring and humane society. It is regrettable that such a Bill could even be drafted, but we urge you to now simply withdraw it before the NSW Parliament moves to debate the issue . The Game Bill is based on flawed and outdated principles and would cause the unnecessary and brutal suffering of many millions of hapless animals in your State.

Please accept this petition to withdraw the Game Bill 2001 from the undersigned:

Name and Country
***************
Marguerite Wegner,Western Australia
Helena Harrington,Victoria,Australia
Sylvia Laver,Switzerland
Mr. Corey Paul Mondello, United States of America.
Lynn Manheim, USA
Astrid Herlihy, Western Australia
Ken Lowe, Western Australia
Loretta Hollings,USA
Frankie Seymour, Queanbeyan, NSW,Australia
Miss Dominique Contreiras, United Kingdom
Jennifer Degarland,USA
Lorraine Patten, Victoria, Australia
Angie Stephenson,NSW,Australia
Ron Stephenson,Australia
Vegan Voice, NSW, Australia
Mary SteinBatavia,USA
Mary Regts,Western Australia
Lesley Parker-Rollins, USA
John Feldmann, USA
Amy Barziloski,USA
Rachel Murphy,Victoria, Australia
Paola Benzi - Airasca (TO) ITALY
Renato Rigassio - Airasca (TO) ITALY
Marcella Borello - Airasca (TO) ITALY
Renato Belluati - Biella - ITALY
Sanaa Ammor, Paris, France
Annalisa Zabonati,Mestre-Venezia,Italy
Mike Thompson,Devon,England
Barbara Thompson,Devon,England
Patricia A. Maccini,USA
Lucilla Mattei (Milan) ITALY
Barbora Veclova,Czeckoslovakia
Wendy Lochner,USA
Jeannette Landry,Canada
Jill Gambino,USA
Heleen Walraven, Holland
Peter Beck,Germany
Don Cook,Scotland
Beryl Cook, Scotland
Jasmine Graham,USA
Judith Ross,UK
Gabriella Spezzano,Italy
Ms. Tracy Jordan USA
Mrs. June Stalvey USA
Mr. Justin Stalvey USA
Mr. Brian A. Jordan USA
Mrs. Jeanette Hooks USA
Ms. Chrisitne Busby USA
J.M. Stalvey USA
Sandi Douglas USA
Maria Seehusen,Sweden
Kristian Seehusen,Sweden
Katarina Seehusen,Sydney, Australia
Ans Rotteveelm,Netherlands
Cheryl Jewhurst, Canada
Marlene Hug, Austria
Kurt Hug, Austria
Christine Johnes,Queensland,Australia
Catherine Walls,UK
Anna Laprade,England
Angela Marino,ITALY
David Penfold, UK
Veruska Lambertini, ITALY
Kathleen E. Robbins,USA
Thomas Wachter,Germany
Vanessa Marcol,USA
Ulla Rasanen, Finland
Lisa Marlow,Belgium
jean bastien bachtiment,France
Mary Shephard,UK
Barbara Biel,USA
Annicea Jappe,Australia
Leo Phillips,UK
Maureen Edwards,USA
Jason Arlaud, Australia
Amanda Magnano, Australia

[jindydiver]

Frankie Seymour, Queanbeyan, NSW,Australia


Who could care what she thinks

Local head of animal lib :roll:


And notice how international the petition is.

The NSW gov' is currently considering a policy of not accepting negative submitions by electronic means. Meaning that for people like ms seymour the mass mail outs will have to be done the old fashioned way

[Willy_R]

Thanks jindy,

You just made it to the top of the class ! ( please don't take that as condescending )

The exact point I tried to make in the other thread.
If we work on making it harder for these people to fill the People concerned email inbox with hyped up junk mail.
then we might "Might" have a go !

They rely on shock facts, we depend on facts.

No matter how you rationalise anything to those opposed to anything like these changes .

You will suffer less pain extracting your own teeth out your own anus !!

look what happens when you take the International names off one of the list !

Marguerite Wegner,Western Australia
Helena Harrington,Victoria,Australia
Astrid Herlihy, Western Australia
Ken Lowe, Western Australia
Frankie Seymour, Queanbeyan, NSW,Australia
Lorraine Patten, Victoria, Australia
Angie Stephenson,NSW,Australia
Ron Stephenson,Australia
Vegan Voice, NSW, Australia
Mary Regts,Western Australia
Rachel Murphy,Victoria, Australia
Katarina Seehusen,Sydney, Australia
Christine Johnes,Queensland,Australia
Annicea Jappe,Australia
Jason Arlaud, Australia
Amanda Magnano, Australia



Willy_R 8)

[Willy_R]

Heres a little snippet you all might like !

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/article/154

http://www.monkey.net/archives/peta.jpg

Willy_R 8)

[bobzila]

i like the second 1 thanks for posting them willy :D

[Willy_R]

Well here it is ! :wink: have a good read !

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/


Willy_R 8)

[ed]

well heres hoping the council reads the emails we have sent them. I sent one in myself because I figure that if it gets opened up in NSW there is more chance of it happening in other states.

[Zeeke]

People
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Tim

[jindydiver]

well heres hoping the council reads the emails we have sent them. I sent one in myself because I figure that if it gets opened up in NSW there is more chance of it happening in other states.

The council (and the Minister) do read the submissions and the well written letters sent in by guys from this site and a few other Aussie hunting sites have impressed them. So much so that the pro-forma letters from the Anti brigade are now being treated as just one submission.

[Warlocke]

Jindy,

Mind if I ask how you are "in the know" on these matters?

Are you an assistant to some Ministerial Department?

Just curious.

[jindydiver]

Jindy,

Mind if I ask how you are "in the know" on these matters?

Are you an assistant to some Ministerial Department?

Just curious.

I ring them :wink:

They are more than willing to speak to anybody who rings and wants to know about issues affecting hunting in NSW.

They are making a real effort in the last 6 months to engage with the public and to be more forthcoming with info on what is happening and what the plans are for the future. It is a pleasant change from the canned responses we were getting in the past.

On the matter of submissions.
Governments both Federal and State have been talking for some while about setting guidelines for the acceptance of submissions that would see all electronic responses in the negative that are received on an issue be lumped together and be considered as one. Internet petitions and the like, where every Tom, **** or Harry from any country on earth can have a say on some regional issue have been rubbing them up wrong for some time.
In the Federal arena we have seen this recently with the inquiry into RU486. It was simply to look into why a government can take responsibility for the approval of this one drug away from the body that has that responsibility normally. The inquiry has nothing to do with what the drug does and that is not at issue, but the inquiry has been bombarded with **** from anti-abortion campaigners from around the world.

I am fortunate in that I have a job that allows me to spend a fair amount of time looking at current affairs.

[ed]

any submission where the person has not taken the time to write it in their own words should be ignored, or lumped in with all the others written exactly the same. People who really care about the outcome are much more likely to express their individual concerns. Those that answer in a chainmail fashion or add their name to a list are like a mob and should not be considered as intelligent submissions.

[Luke]

The council (and the Minister) do read the submissions and the well written letters sent in by guys from this site and a few other Aussie hunting sites have impressed them. So much so that the pro-forma letters from the Anti brigade are now being treated as just one submission.


Great to hear!

Well done to all who emailed or mailed in.

Luke :D

[jindydiver]

any submission where the person has not taken the time to write it in their own words should be ignored, or lumped in with all the others written exactly the same. People who really care about the outcome are much more likely to express their individual concerns. Those that answer in a chainmail fashion or add their name to a list are like a mob and should not be considered as intelligent submissions.

That is exactly it ED