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Management Team
08-04-06, 10:08 AM
Over the past few days Luke has have reviewed numerous other forums and websites to do some research and gain insight into the rules, regulations, expectations, policies, guidelines and consequences commonly and typically used in the operation of a forum such as ours.

He has taken what he thinks to be some very well written, thoughtout and specific points and done his best to customise, make them relevant, workable and applicable to TBGA.

Some may find various points listed here to be somewhat pedantic, dare we say, even anal. However we believe that with the growing numbers we have seen (esp in the last six months or so) and the numerous threads dealing with contentious and somewhat highly specific issues, a detailed and comprehensive set of guidelines is necessary. We feel that by creating this we are best placing ourselves to deal with any topics and/or situations that belittle and undermine the good feeling and postive environment we are attempting to foster.

The "mission statement" that appears at the top is old to some, new to others. This has been brought back from "the old days" as we feel it best sums up the reason for the Group's existence, it's direction, it's foundations and it's intentions. We think this is something we have been lacking badly and would be a good thing to make known again.

Please read the following. Feedback is welcomed and any points raised will be taken to the Admin Forum for discussion and consideration by the Management Team.

Thank you for taking the time.

The Management Team



“To foster participation in bowhunting.
To promote humane and ethical hunting.
To protect the right to hunt.
To assist and educate fellow hunters.”

This forum is run for the benefit of bowhunting and our bowhunting members. In the interests of 95% of our moderate and conscientious membership and having a fun friendly place for us to swap stories and ideas these guidelines will be enforced.


Board-wide Policies

This document is designed to clarify various responsibilities of members here at The Bowhunters Group of Australia (www.aussiebowhunter.com). Please read and become familiar with it.


Rule Policing
TBGA now operates a three strike policy. Users will be warned a maximum of three times for any and all offences. Strike consequences will operate on an escalating scale. For example:

First strike – editing (moderation) or removal of offending post/s and no further consequences issued.

Second strike – immediate referral to Management Team for discussion of action and consequences.

Third strike – immediate suspension or cancellation (banning) of membership for time decided by administration in light of offenses. (Should strike three result in a “suspension”, upon return to active status, any and all strikes reaching “second strike” level will result in immediate and permanent cancellation of membership.)

a.Repeated and continued arguing with Management Team members after having received a warning will lead to an immediate strike counted against you. Should this continue and exceed three strikes a suspension will be put in place as above.

b.Users who feel they have been unfairly warned are welcome to contact administration, e.g. if warned by a moderator you should contact the administration. If admin feel you were treated badly they may remove a warning. Their decision is final.

c.Any attempt to circumvent a temporary ban will lead to that ban being made permanent. Circumvention includes re-registering under a non-banned username, changing IP addresses to evade an IP ban, registering a new email account to evade an email ban. Circumvention includes posting as an anonymous user.

d.An exception to the three strike rule applies when users post insulting, indecent, inappropriate or vulgar material. Such users may be subject to an immediate permanent ban at the discretion of Administration.

e.Repeated low level “strike one” type offenses will summate and escalate to “strike two” level and “strike three” level, if necessary.

f.Permanent bans are a last resort and thought is given before implementing them. While admin may consider lifting permanent bans from time to time this is a very rare occurrence.


Forum rules

- Do not post inappropriate pictures of animals that do not respect the game taken. This includes unnecessary gore etc. It is a mark of respect that when taking photos you pose your game in a considered manner. Specifically, pictures of animals with arrows remaining in them are OUT. (If you are not sure about a pic check with the Management Team). Additionally, there are many long standing members that would be happy to edit your pictures if necessary.

- Language: there is no excuse for using what is clearly inappropriate language. Do not deliberately miss-spell words to avoid censorship by the automatic language filter.

- Discussion of unethical and illegal hunting practices and methods (including those determined by the Management Team to be unacceptable, questionable or ill-defined) is not permitted.

- All messages express the views of the author, and The Management Team will not be responsible for the content of any message.

- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users. Flaming or abusing users in any way will not be tolerated and will lead to a strike.

- The Management Team reserves the right to edit or remove any post at any time. The determination of what is construed as inappropriate, indecent, vulgar, spam, contrary to forum rules and guidelines etc. as noted in these points is up to Management Team and not users.

- Members should remember this board is accessible to a public audience. Posting any matter that portrays bowhunting in a bad or distasteful light, posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated and will lead to a strike.

- “Restarting” a locked thread will result in an automatic level two strike.

- Members are asked to respect the copyright of other users, sites, media, etc. Users linking to or posting material in violation of copyright and privacy laws will receive a warning and their post will be removed.

- Members should respect the bandwidth of other users and sites. The use of inline () image tags pointing to data stored on third party systems for which the user has not received permission to link to, or that is excessively large in data download size may be removed.

- Members should post in a way which is consistent with "normal writing". That is users should refrain from using excessive numbers of emoticons, large, small or coloured text, etc. Similarly users should not SHOUT or use excessive punctuation (e.g. ! and ?) in topic titles or posts. Users consistently abusing this will be warned.

- The above forum rules where applicable also apply to private messaging. Abuse of the private messaging system may lead to warnings (as above) and/or the revocation of private messaging.

- Unsolicited advertisements by retail outlets are not permitted. Likewise, non-genuine classifieds advertisements (as determined by the Management Team) are not permitted. Any such posts will be deleted.


Avatars

Users are permitted to utilize a gallery avatar or to link to one of their own (subject to previous points on misuse of bandwidth).

- Avatars are subject to the same conditions as posts with respect decency, and so forth.

- Users abusing these rules will be warned and/or may lose their avatar privileges

jindydiver
08-04-06, 11:37 AM
It is a great idea to get some ground rules spelled out, and the consequences of breaking those rules.

Some feedback if I might.


a.Repeated and continued arguing with Management Team members after having received a warning will lead to an immediate strike counted against you. Should this continue and exceed three strikes a suspension will be put in place as above.


Am I right to assume this refers to posts in the public board, and that respectfull and polite argueing of ones position via PM or email is still allowed?




Discussion of unethical and illegal hunting practices and methods (including those determined by the Management Team to be unacceptable, questionable or ill-defined) is not permitted.



Could you define “discussion” in this context? Are you talking about “all mention of” or are you allowing sensible discussion of issues that affect us, or something else?




- Members should post in a way which is consistent with "normal writing". That is users should refrain from using excessive numbers of emoticons, large, small or coloured text, etc. Similarly users should not SHOUT or use excessive punctuation (e.g. ! and ?) in topic titles or posts. Users consistently abusing this will be warned.


This is a put on surely? Not everybody posting here has a degree in English lit’ nor is it necessary for them to have one to get their point across, that is why we have all those imaginative text options and emoticons for people to use. Isn’t it? Isn’t the use of all those things consistent with “normal writing” on internet forums?


The above forum rules where applicable also apply to private messaging. Abuse of the private messaging system may lead to warnings (as above) and/or the revocation of private messaging.



Since went have the management team had access to our PM’s? And what business is it of the management teams what text is used in PM’s, or whether or not 2 members here use the PM system to discuss topics not allowed in the open forum?

aussiehunter
08-04-06, 11:58 AM
some valid points raised by jindy,just to be clear..

overall pretty fair :D

thanku pat :D

ricochet
08-04-06, 12:31 PM
That is users should refrain from using excessive numbers of emoticons, large, small or coloured text, etc.
YOU MEAN LIKE THIS LUKE :D :) :( :o :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :P :oops: :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow: :arrow: :mrgreen: :wink:



I think you have the idea Coacher :lol: , wonder if we will get our first banning from a announcment posting :lol:

Rick

Axe
08-04-06, 12:33 PM
Since went have the management team had access to our PM’s? And what business is it of the management teams what text is used in PM’s, or whether or not 2 members here use the PM system to discuss topics not allowed in the open forum?

They can't see, as for the privacy situation it will remain private unless one of the parties complains to Admin re the conversation...at least that is how I believe it will happen

aussiehunter
08-04-06, 12:34 PM
coach strike oneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

pat :lol:

brian
08-04-06, 12:42 PM
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Luke
08-04-06, 12:54 PM
Why are these questions directed specifically at me?

This is a Management Team instigation (all members agree to the posting of these rules and the feedback gained from such), I did the research and drew up the rules and regs, yes, but the posting, the implimenation and the enforcement was agreed on by The M Team.

Please direct future enquiries and questions to The Management Team as a whole.

The questions raised herein thusfar will be taken to the admin forum and discussed there prior to definate answers being given.

thanks for the points made and questions asked. definately some food for thought and the input is appreciated.

Luke :D

BTW...Coach, you're fine with your post but this

:D :) :( :o :lol: 8) :? :shock: :x :P :oops: :cry: :wink: :roll: :twisted: :evil: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow: :D :) :( :o :lol:
8) :? :shock: :x :P :oops: :cry: :wink: :roll: :twisted: :evil: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow: !:D :) :( :o :lol:
8) :? :shock: :x :P :oops: :cry: :wink: :roll: :twisted: :evil: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow: :D :) :( :o :lol:
8) :? :shock: :x :P :oops: :cry: :wink: :roll: :twisted: :evil: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow:
Is just plain ridiculous and a bit of an example of what we mean ;) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trophy Bowhunts
08-04-06, 01:13 PM
Jindy

Axe has covered that one....Admin will only act on complaints..in relation to Pm's as we can't see them.

Mick

jindydiver
08-04-06, 01:17 PM
Why are these questions directed specifically at me?

This is a Management Team instigation (all members agree to the posting of these rules and the feedback gained from such), I did the research and drew up the rules and regs, yes, but the posting, the implimenation and the enforcement was agreed on by The M Team.

Please direct future enquiries and questions to The Management Team as a whole.


Why are you so self-conscious that you would even think that?
Point out to me please Luke where I even mentioned your name??? The“YOU” in my questions is obviously directed at the original poster i.e. “the management team”.

My questions WERE directed at the “management team” as evidenced by this
Since went have the management team had access to our PM’s? And what business is it of the management teams what text is used in PM’s, or whether or not 2 members here use the PM system to discuss topics not allowed in the open forum?

Luke
08-04-06, 01:32 PM
Coach wrote:
YOU MEAN LIKE THIS LUKE

Sorry...I guess I was reading more into this than I should have ;)

Fair call Jindy.

Luke :D

Willy_R
08-04-06, 02:12 PM
Sometimes I wish we could all have a round table in the live chat so as to avoid the possible lack of understanding that goes on some times !

It all feels very Litigious at times in here !

Some people go out of their way to make erroneous statements purely to get a bite from other users, this the whole world could do without !

Apart from that this Forum is 300% better than many others I have been on !

Now I cant wait to be referred back to the rules ( Sorry Guidelines) when I do Say something not to the liking of another user !

Hope admin never changes but Sure would like to see elections for moderators ?

Just My 2 cents worth !

Willy_R

Sparra
08-04-06, 02:36 PM
While we are on writing skills can we get a spell checker in here????I am amazed at some of the spelling skills,or lack of them that some of our posters have....
Sparra

Willy_R
08-04-06, 02:46 PM
Coach I don't know !??

But it would be good to think the moderators are there for the members, not as the enforcers As to speak !

Would you feel better being put there for the members buy the members whom entrust you to look out for their interests first, or Empowered by Admin to look out for them ! :D

I guess I prefer Elected power rather than given !

Willy_R

Luke
08-04-06, 03:01 PM
Would you feel better being put there for the members buy the members whom entrust you to look out for their interests first, or Empowered by Admin to look out for them !


Mods are there to moderate...I hardly think it's a "keeping the bastards honest" type role :? and I don't know how to respond to the possible insuation that you think this is needed :(

Luke

Paul R
08-04-06, 03:03 PM
IMO this is definately a step in the right direction. :D

While it has been pointed out that there may be some wrinkles to iron out, overall I think that the rules have been well worded and obviously a lot of work has been done. Good stuff.
Onwards and upwards :D

Paul R
08-04-06, 03:31 PM
Willy R, I may be way off here but I always thought that a moderator's main role was to enforce the rules of the site and to moderate for the best interests of the site and its ideals. If the site is moderated in this fasion then the vast majority of its members will be happy. Remember we chose to sign up as members knowing the ideals purposes and rules of this site.
Now we have been given more clear and comprehensive guidelines and rules which should make it easier to moderate.

Axe
08-04-06, 03:45 PM
But it would be good to think the moderators are there for the members, not as the enforcers As to speak

Willy_R,
I can only speak for myself, & what I see of the other moderators..

If you feel that the moderators aren't here for the members, or moderating unjustly, I think you should raise the issue, but I truely believe you are very much mistaken

I think it fair to say that, very little moderating is done, & I certainly didn't take this role on as an enforcer, I took it on in the hope that I might be able to "calm the waters" when necessary, after all moderators are only members themselves.... but if removing or editing something offensive is considered "being an enforcer" then so be it

Doesn't mean I/we don't make mistakes, & there are plenty on here to tell us the errors of our ways when we do, as it should be

As for voting in moderators, fine by me, but the decision to have a democratic vote is up to Admin (the owners) to determine, many other situations in life, where people are supposed to be looking out for our welfare are positions of appointment....I wouldn't mind getting a vote re some of those appointments

As for this thread, I don't see anything much changing, or anyone waiting to pounce, just a clarification, and with the members input, changes can be adopted....

This whole thread was looked at and refined, it was then decided to post it with the intent to have member comment & changes made accordingly if deemed relevent, I believe that is looking after the interest of the members

Please don't take the above, as a defensive or argumentative statement, simply how I see it :)

Willy_R
08-04-06, 03:48 PM
AAAWWW crap even after I read my own post I could see this !

Its not about power its about how the members feel about things that happen some times !

I sometimes feel stifled in saying something because it for dam sure to fire someone up !

On the ground I think Admin does a great job and it was the first thing pointed out !

Ok let me put it this way maybe some tech moderators are needed, not good and bad spelling and behaviour if you get my drift !

But people whom can give people real on the ground based on experience facts not what they read somewhere on another forum !

I see so much conjecture and inaccurate things sometimes I boil !
now I am not in the Habit of pointing these things out "nor do I want to".

But there is a few people on here's whose opinions I would really respect and as such would like others to see their opinions highlighted as Tech Moderators.

Luke You are "da Man" and rightly so Without you and Adam there would be no TBGA so if you feel impugned I apologise sincerely ( highlight that folks you wont see it often ) Sometimes my choice of words sucks ! hence I don't ever want the Job !

Now I will shut the Hell up and go back to conquering the World With Alexander the Great by my side !

Willy_R

Sparra
08-04-06, 04:19 PM
Willy wrote

I sometimes feel stifled in saying something because it for dam sure to fire someone up !


In the words of a famous moderater..."Don't let fear hold you back"
If you have something to say Willy let it out...as long as it is not deflamitry or degrading say what you feel...If it is out of line someone will let you know and if it upsets anyone then bad luck...The beauty of a public forum is free speech and as long as it is within the guidelines of the forum then go for it...As far as mods go...It is really up to the owners and developers of the site to decide who moderates and so far they have been pretty much on the mark so why change whats working...
Sparra...

Willy_R
08-04-06, 04:38 PM
Yeah Yeah Rito I'll get back when I have conquered Greece ! :lol:

In the words of a famous moderator..."Don't let fear hold you back"

Fear is not the Issue its offending somebody sense of knowledge is what grates my cheese !

Willy_R 8)

No more folks the topic is being hijacked by my ramblings !

Management Team
05-05-06, 07:36 AM
To offer explanation and clarification to questions asked earlier in this thread by Jindy:

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:37 am Post subject:

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It is a great idea to get some ground rules spelled out, and the consequences of breaking those rules.

Some feedback if I might.


Quote:
a.Repeated and continued arguing with Management Team members after having received a warning will lead to an immediate strike counted against you. Should this continue and exceed three strikes a suspension will be put in place as above.



Am I right to assume this refers to posts in the public board, and that respectfull and polite argueing of ones position via PM or email is still allowed?

Questions to ask for explanation or clarification is always allowed via pm or email.. but abuse and continued harassment to attempt to "bash" Admin into altering a decision is not..once clarification is given, a following reply should be the end of the discussion & if Management still feel it necessary to take action, then so be it.




Discussion of unethical and illegal hunting practices and methods (including those determined by the Management Team to be unacceptable, questionable or ill-defined) is not permitted.


Could you define “discussion” in this context? Are you talking about “all mention of” or are you allowing sensible discussion of issues that affect us, or something else?

Any discussion which relates to members promoting illegal (or questionably illegal) hunting practices eg unlicenced, poaching, hunting protected/native species or discussing unsavoury, cruel or otherwise offensive incidents re their hunting.


- Members should post in a way which is consistent with "normal writing". That is users should refrain from using excessive numbers of emoticons, large, small or coloured text, etc. Similarly users should not SHOUT or use excessive punctuation (e.g. ! and ?) in topic titles or posts. Users consistently abusing this will be warned.



This is a put on surely? Not everybody posting here has a degree in English lit’ nor is it necessary for them to have one to get their point across, that is why we have all those imaginative text options and emoticons for people to use. Isn’t it? Isn’t the use of all those things consistent with “normal writing” on internet forums?

This is merely an attempt to encourage the use of correct gramma, spelling and punctuation etc. It seems that the use of MSN messenger and SMS's is all too quickly eroding the legibility of posts. We just ask you make your best attempts to write in a manner consistent with normal conversation and refrain from excessive use of shorthand substitutes. It is not expected that every post made be both grammatically and structually perfect by anymeans. The issue of shouting is simply one of courtesy to other members as is the overuse of emoticons.


Quote:
The above forum rules where applicable also apply to private messaging. Abuse of the private messaging system may lead to warnings (as above) and/or the revocation of private messaging.

Since went have the management team had access to our PM’s? And what business is it of the management teams what text is used in PM’s, or whether or not 2 members here use the PM system to discuss topics not allowed in the open forum?

This point has been adressed already in this thread.

Management Team
05-05-06, 03:36 PM
Due to certain circumstances having resolved themselves, the Management Team has decided to remove the Three Strikes policy.

All breaches of the Posting and Conduct rules will now be dealt with accordingly by Administration.

Please read this adjustment in the rules posting announcement at the top of this forum.

All forums on TBGA will have a copy of the Posting and Conduct rules posted at the top.