stealing fellow

[jerry redman]

ive been watching a stag for about three weeks now he has been running round a deer fence trying to get in the fence smashing the fence i went out tuesday morning and seen him again and thought i would get a bit of footage of him he was grunting his head off, smashing the deer fence.

I have been thinking all these does scent through the area there have to be more stags in the area last w/e it was proven, dad and i seen a very nice fellow stag, the next day i could i went out there and tryed to hunt him, when i was hunting i was wondering why are all the does in the middle paddocks at the end of the night i found out, the farmer had opened the gates and the stag has tryed to get into the girls and the farmer shut the gates and penned him up so i want happy bout that but the satgs having a great time in there...for now.. he has got hundreds of girls in there, but he was defently worth shooting.

Another spot we have is about a km from there there uselly is about 15-20 doe's there and went there a week ago and there was a stag with the does , he had a pretty high head but i couldnt see any palms because of the angle and all of a sudden he just dissapeared now i know why they call them the grey ghost, so i went out there to see if he was any good and he has takenb them all away some where, the last 2 times i have seen none talk about stealing deer from us.
here is the fellow i have been watching the last 3 weeks, i have been presented heaps of shot opertunitys but i think next year he will be a lot better.jerryhttp://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/owensgay/fellowstag.jpg

[jerry redman]

i got another one of him smashin the deer fence it was just getting daylight so thats why its a bit dark

[Lucky Mick 23]

Hi Jerry, nice pic of that Buck, pitty you didn't get him on the ground this year but as you said, there is always next year when he will be BIGGER..
Mick.

[jindydiver]

Jerry
I think you are being a bit tough on the farmer, claiming he is "stealing" the deer :?

[adam]

Thanks for the pic and read jerry

[XTfreak]

I think you are being a bit tough on the farmer, claiming he is "stealing" the deer
Just out of curiosity what would you call it jindy? From what I understand it is legal to have wild animals if you have a permit? But is it also legal to take them from the wild? Remember Im not getting up anyone Im just curious.
Bill

[jerry redman]

well yeah maybe but im just jelious hes got him and i havnt, lukcky mick i have had the chance plenty of times to shoot him but he is not worth a wall mount in the rut if there not worth putting on the wall i wont shoot it, do you guys eat deer stags in the rut?

[Sparra]

I have never tried Jerry but I believe they are pretty rank,Jindy would know more about it...By the way...they are Fallow deer and not Fellow deer...Just thought i would clear that up for ya... :wink: :wink:
Sparra

[ricochet]

By the way...they are Fallow deer and not Fellow deer...Just thought i would clear that up for ya... :wink: :wink:



He may have been talking about the farmer, he is a fellow :lol: :lol:

Rick

[Sparra]

:lol: :lol: You maybe right there Rick you funny fellow but I'm sure I have seen Jerry speak of the allmighty FELLOW before....i am not trying to be pedantic(if thats how you spell it),just helping the young fellow out...
:wink: :wink:
Sparra

[ricochet]

:lol: :lol: You maybe right there Rick you funny fellow but I'm sure I have seen Jerry speak of the allmighty FELLOW before....i am not trying to be pedantic(if thats how you spell it),just helping the young fellow out...
:wink: :wink:
Sparra


Yeah i know Sparra, just trying to be silly here :lol:

Rick

[jindydiver]

I think you are being a bit tough on the farmer, claiming he is "stealing" the deer
Just out of curiosity what would you call it jindy? From what I understand it is legal to have wild animals if you have a permit? But is it also legal to take them from the wild? Remember Im not getting up anyone Im just curious.
Bill

Mate, you can nearly bet your house that he came out of that farm in the first place. Remember that thse are really just farm animals, letting him back inside to where the girls are is just getting back what is his anyway.
I hunt next to a very big fallow farm, and the only thing stopping the bucks from getting back in is their racks. In October after he has shed he will slip back under the fence to get in all by himself, if the grass inside is improved pasture he will be desperate to get to it to help put on his new rack. The big guy I watched (and chased) last season probably did just that. He wasn’t anywhere to be seen this year outside, and the farmer had mustered and found a couple of really outsized bucks among the herd, so he cut them out and put them in a back paddock for a guiding operation that visits each rut.
It is just part of the yin and yang of hunting next to a deer farm, sometimes they come out for you to hunt, sometimes they are all back inside and off limits.



And yes, if you shoot them in the few weeks after they have spent 10 solid days grunting and chasing lesser bucks around (and not to mention urinating on themselves) you aren’t going to have much use for the meat.
If the buck was on really good pasture and is able to keep fat on himself through the rut he will still be good to eat, but if he uses his fat up and starts to use muscle mass for energy his tissues start to smell like nail polish. This is a by-product of the process and it is from the ketones left as his body burns those muscles up. Combined with the musk on the out side, the ketones on the inside makes for a pretty rank smelling kill. There are grandmothers recipes for removing the smell from the meat, but I just prefer to not shoot bucks. (this only applies to fallow, other deer aren't as intense in their rut and don't get that ketone smell)

[XTfreak]

jindy wrote
Mate, you can nearly bet your house that he came out of that farm in the first place. Remember that thse are really just farm animals, letting him back inside to where the girls are is just getting back what is his anyway.
I hunt next to a very big fallow farm, and the only thing stopping the bucks from getting back in is their racks. In October after he has shed he will slip back under the fence to get in all by himself, if the grass inside is improved pasture he will be desperate to get to it to help put on his new rack. The big guy I watched (and chased) last season probably did just that. He wasn’t anywhere to be seen this year outside, and the farmer had mustered and found a couple of really outsized bucks among the herd, so he cut them out and put them in a back paddock for a guiding operation that visits each rut.
It is just part of the yin and yang of hunting next to a deer farm, sometimes they come out for you to hunt, sometimes they are all back inside and off limits.
Thanks for that. I now see where your coming from.
Thanks
Bill

[jerry redman]

well he is no tame animal i can tell you, he is very weary of what is around him.

[adam]

I'm not douting that one bit Jerry, He could have been in the sticks for the last 20 years.

Where I have been hunting the fallow farmers have been shooting wild range fallow for 25 odd years, another place they have been out for the last 7 years, both areas are just as hard to hunt the wiery buggers.

Cheers Adam

[jindydiver]

well he is no tame animal i can tell you, he is very weary of what is around him.

"Farmed fallow" doesn't equal "tame fallow". His behaviour towards humans in his environment doesn't give you any clues at all as to whether he is a recent escapee or one that has lived his whole life outside the wire (unless of course he walked up to you for a feed, quite uncommon even in farmed deer).

Would you say he was "stolen" if the farmer had shot him?

And for him to be "stolen" he would have to belong to someone in the first place. You original post tells us you felt some ownership of the deer, but I would say no hunter "owns" any animal until he has killed it.

[adam]

I think Jerry meant it very lightely Jindy, I feel connected to the deer I hunt on a regular basis and I think thats what Jerry is saying.

I'd feel the same I think.

:wink: Adam

[jindydiver]

It isn’t a problem Adam, I am not poking ****, I am just pointing out that other people will have a different view on things. I feel connected to the deer I see regularly, but when they aren’t there anymore I just move on, easy come, easy go (well, maybe not so easy come :lol: )

I just think that Jerry might want to ponder a bit about how he phrases things. I could imagine how the farmer would feel if he heard that Jerry was telling people the farmer “stole” his deer.

[adam]

:wink: no worries Jindy see your point.

Cheers mate

[jerry redman]

jindy, i see were your coming from but it wasnt meant to be " he axually stole the deer from me" in serious way it was sorter a sarcastic way, if you know what i meen, plus the other deer mob that i have been watching for 4-5 months now are gone as well the stags taken them, what else was my post susspose to be, i had no name for it so i thought i would give that the name, it just seemed that ive been in that area chasing deer in the pouring rain cold and windy, and i just thought all the hard work has payed off by seeing him and havin a chance at getting him, so you can understand my point, i wasnt being seroius it was just a bummer that it happend.

[jindydiver]

No worries Jerry. I know how you feel mate, I was watching some reds at one place this last year and I thought I was in with a show this rut, but they have vanished. The farmer has told me many stories this last few months about the rampant poaching that has gone on and so I was really not in with a show after all. Adam and Mozza know the place I am talking about, there are always poachers getting about there and bombing the place up under lights, and between them and the fires 3 years ago it is a wonder anybody gets any game there at all any more.

[adam]

Thats a shame Mick, it would be a good herd to see grow esp there. I found quite a few full carcasses shot and left there.

Adam

[jindydiver]

Adam
The other month I was talking to Frank (who lives in the little house right by the river, over from the cliffs) and he was telling me about how he was sitting having dinner and 3 car loads of guys with dogs hanging off everywhere appeared in his drive. They had words, the poachers even tried to tell Frank that he was wrong and they were allowed to hunt there (they were standing in Franks front yard). The poachers claimed they had permission from the C------r’s to hunt there and Frank got understandably very nervous trying to tell these guys to piss off and do it without getting a beating.
6 months ago, Peter (who lives in the next house along, with the orchard) showed me a bullet hole in the front guard of his car. He woke up to find it there, and the car was parked not 10 metres from his kids bedroom.

The whole place was starting to show real promise too. I took Rory there last year and we had a look at the back dam and there was a huge red deer wallow and piles of droppings everywhere. Last month I went up to see what I could find and there was no sign at all, not a pellet, not a footprint. There is a gate near the dam, and it has been smashed and the lock shot off so many times that Peter just unbolted it and now uses it somewhere else. Just a couple of months ago the water stoped pumping from that dam and so Peter went up for a look and found the float on his intake shot to ****.

The whole thing makes me very cranky. Before the fires I used to head out there once a week and collect a goat and our family ate well. Now with all the pines everywhere burned the poachers just run rampant over all the farms and I rarely even see the goats anymore.

[aussiehunter]

and ppl wonder why land owners dont want anyone on their property after this sort of harrasment and vandlelism.

unfortuanatly respect and morals are quickly dissapearing.

pat :?