who would give money now if a tsunami happened

[jason]

After what happened to schappelle who would give their money to indonesia now. I would not, we gave a billion and cannot even get a fair trial for 1 of our own. :x :x

[Bowmancam]

WOW Jason ... this is gonna get some interesting responces ....

Unless you were in the courtroom for the duration of the trial, heard every bit of trumped up evidence against her and the pathetic display of heresay and fictitious arguments put forward by her defence then i dont think any of us can comment with any certainty on the topic.

But to victimise innocent people of a natural disaster due to the conviction of a pretty drug dealer with big boobs, is responding exactly how the sensationalistic journalist grubs want us to ... dont be fooled by the points of a court case that reach our loungerooms, or by a pretty girl crying in the dock, they want emotive images to persuade genuine argument. If it was me, a young ugly bloke, i wonder if the nation would of rallied around me :roll: ....

Cheers, Cam

[the devils right hand man]

im a firm beliver in justice this an't over by a long shot

[Sparra]

Ever considered that she might be guilty?????

[the devils right hand man]

the truth will never be known only god and her know the truth she'll be judged in the end

[Barry]

I have no doubt that the legal system there is tragically flawed, corrupt and by our standards primitive (My views not the offical view of this site :lol: ).

Cam and Sparra, whether she is pretty or inocent doesnt change the fact that I believe she didnt recieved a fair trial or adequate defence. Now I dont know the details about this case but I have been to Bali on several occassions and have had to make 'police donations' for no other reason that that is how it works.

Jason, I dont think your question was a fair one either. Just because thier legal system stinks doesnt mean we should ignore our humanity. I can however tell you that it means I am unlikely to EVER travel to Bali again, I would hate to be on the wrong side of that bench of 3 even if I was innocent.

I just hope that considering our diplomatic relationship they pull thier fingers out on the request to transfer her detention to Australia.

[jason]

the question was put to me at work today and i thought it was a good 1. Just wanted to know how everyone else felt. I do not no whether she is quilty or not but a fair trial it was far from. But saying that they did allow testomony for her defence thta would not have been allowed here. (do not think they paid any attention to it though)

[Wareagle]

I think our Gov. need a kick up thr rear. Even when they murdered our T.V crew,nothing much was done about it. I think all Australians should stay away from Indonesia.

[the devils right hand man]

these are probably the only 2 posts i will agree with you on coach no tourist no money no wories

[bowriver]

Well i might be a little ignorent or miss informed about alot of this, but isnt Australian- Indonesian relationship important to indonesia? I'm probably wrong but haven't we helped them out with more then just the tsunami? I agree with you coach, the money is needed here too. But Australia showed how generous we are as a people, but what are they gonna do with all the money? And when they are rebuilt and thriving once more and Australia is hit by earhquake will they give it all back? We gave all our money to help them (not that i disagree with it dont get me wrong) so how do we help ourselves? Just another point of view.


P.S if im wrong or anyone is offended this was written not by Paul but by his evil twin :twisted:

[Warlocke]

Having had a bit to do with the law (no, not in that way) I know that all judicial systems deal only in fact.

The facts tendered to the court are these, she had drugs in her luggage, she carried them into another country, there were no other person(s) implicated or admitting to the importation.

In my opinion, nearly every court on the planet would come up with the same verdict.

What do I think, not that it has any relevance, she would have made a s**t load more money if she, or whoever owned the drugs, had sold them to the youth of Australia.

I've been to Bali too, and the street dealers have offered me the equivalent to two grams of green for the equivalent of $2 AU, about $60 value here.

It doesn't make economic sense.

No, I didn't buy any, that's why I am here in Aus posting on this site.

[HOOD]

And if she did in deed it was her's and she had it in her bag, why then didn't Australian customs pick up on it at check in on departure from Aus??????

hood 8)

[bowriver]

Is this gonna be one of those never ending arguements like the good old "is there a god?"... :?

P.S...you're paying too much Coach :wink:

[adam]

I'd still give Jason, and with one of these on my face :D

[Spider]

The legal system over there is based on you proving your innocence, not the prosecuter proving your guilt. Seemed interesting that the airline couldn't produce the the weigh in details (apparently lost) when the defence team asked for it. If her boggy board only wieghed in at around four kilos in Australia, what was the weight of the bag at Bali with an extra four kilos of green in it?????

[jindydiver]

The legal system over there is based on you proving your innocence, not the prosecuter proving your guilt. Seemed interesting that the airline couldn't produce the the weigh in details (apparently lost) when the defence team asked for it. If her boggy board only wieghed in at around four kilos in Australia, what was the weight of the bag at Bali with an extra four kilos of green in it?????

Enshrined in the Indonesian constitution is the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty". The problem with their system is that the police work for the prosecution and will only investigate matters that will lead to evidence that will support the conviction. The defence is then left with the task of finding facts that may support their side of the story. It is a **** system and it means that the police arenÃ*t looking for the truth (or true justice), but are instead just looking to keep their jobs by only pursuing avenues of enquiry that are helpful to the prosecution. This down fall in the system is most vividly seen in the polices refusal to fingerprint the bag of drugs, it wouldnÃ*t further their case at all (and may even harm it) if they were to find another individuals prints on there.

The lead judge (who is very proud that he has never acquitted anybody in over 500 cases :roll: ) stated in an interview with Australian TV crews that his mind was already made up, and this was before the defence had presented their case. He also said that it was now time for the defence to set about proving the womanÃ*s innocence. Both these statements are the basis of a leading QCÃ*s advice to the defence team to appeal to the countries constitutional court to have the conviction set aside.