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Jacob Goodwin
08-09-06, 03:01 AM
I have had a recent experience with the good people at Jetstar that might be of interest to anyone who will be travelling on airplanes with their bows.

Flying from Adelaide to Cairns (for a recent Cape York hunt), I was checking my bowcase in when the young guy behind the desk began fretting about my "crossbow". As I had never experienced any problems when travelling with Virgin Blue, I happily answered his questions ("No, it's not a crossbow" and "No, I can't 'take it apart'). Confident in my explanation to the new employee, I enjoyed a false sense of security in the belief that my prospects of a smooth check in process were strong. However, I suspected things would take a turn for the worse when he felt the need to get his manager involved.I was right! :shock:

After a bizarre line of questioning ("Do you have arrows with this?" and "Do you need to bring the arrows with you?") the manager advised that the bow had to be checked in as a firearm, which meant I would need to produce the appropriate "licence" to retrieve it from Cairns baggage. After an unsuccessful attempt at explaining certain nuances of SA Firearms legislation (most notably that bows aren't mentioned in it!), I began to ponder the feasibility of switching to Virgin Blue at late notice. This woman was arguably the most blissfully ignorant, and yet aggressive, airline worker I have encountered (with the exception of the check-in chick in Cairns - who will be discussed later!) Eventually, after much grief and time (and the assistance of another customer who explained the difference between a bow and a firearm) I was able to convince both individuals to check the bow in as normal luggage.

A week later, I am flying back to Adelaide. As Cairns serves as a base for all Cape York flights, where several hunting outfits operate, I assumed that people at Cairns airport would have more exposure to bows. My experience of checking the gear in proved this assumption entirely wrong. The cow at the Jetstar was downright belligerent as I explained the odd shaped bowcase. After explaining what it was and was not (a "crossbow"), I shared my previous Adelaide experience. Unmoved, she threw a "firearms declaration" form in my face and bluntly asked me to fill it out and sign it. I decided to emphatically challenge this request by unceremoniously asking to speak with the manager. After a ****ty look, she complied with this request and "Tony" entered the fray.

After rehashing my Adelaide and Cairns experiences in rather extensive detail, I informed Tony of my concerns regarding the possibility that my bow would spend the rest of eternity in Adelaide baggage claims because it had been classified as a "firearm" and a licence that does not exist would be needed to retrieve it. Looking at the bow case rather pensively, he made the usual enquiries ("Do you have arrows with that?" "What kind of crossbow is this?"), which led me to believe that Tony/Cow did not possess the intellectual capability to completely understand my first explanation of these matters.

As the mind numbing banter continued, my contemplation of a late switch to Virgin Blue resurfaced. Just as I was about to make the move, Tony made a few calls and re-assured me that although I had to check the bow in as a "firearm" I wouldn't have any problem retreiving it (from a special area) in Adelaide as long as I produced photo ID. His explanation for this approach was based on the airline needing to ensure that "someone else didn't take the bow from baggage and commit a crime with it". Dumbfounded, I nervously accepted his deal. After a bit of confusion around where to go when I landed in Adelaide, I was able to retrieve the bow with no drama.

Moral of the story- When travelling with your bow, make sure you show up to the airport a bit early as there is no consistent approach to how bows are treated/viewed OR Fly Virgin Blue

Luke
08-09-06, 06:05 AM
What a croc!

This falls in line with the police asking bowhunters to produce lisences!

I think we really need to look at what we can do to educate the public (and these specific industries that should know better) about bows and the laws and regs surrounding them :!:

It's just as well Jake that you didn't have any dramas upon your return to Adelaide or perhaps we might have been reading about this in the paper :lol:

Luke

PeterM
08-09-06, 08:20 AM
Just a new airline I think trying to adjust, still and pain in the butt, but I will take your advice, as I have never had any trouble with Virgin or Qantas flying around Aussie with my bow case like yourself mate.

On similar topic the only time I was pulled up as I was trying to get on the last plan trip home to Canberra once flying from Adelaide, I was confronted by a customs guy asking about my bow case, he was puffed up trying to look intimidating and in control, by once I stood up and he found that I was bigger and wider, he soon changed his arrogant tone, he question revolved around if my bow had been around explosives, and since I had been hunting with my mate who shoots rifles and yes I’ve been hunting for the last week with guy shooting guns and the have had there firearm in close proximity to my bow bag and case, he explained that his explosives dog had gone mad over it and he needed to fill out a report, but while the whole time trying to make that I had something wrong, I explained to him the about story and was quite intent to say I haven’t done anything wrong, and I would open the case if they like to prove so, he response was nah have x-rayed it completely its ok, to which my response was well since your so efficient then why didn’t you pull me up in Adelaide not just right now in Melbourne, because if it did have explosives on it then it would have gone bang before now, fool! Needless to say his face expression changed too a smirk and he walked off, yeah I thought so, I replied as he left.

NormGunston
08-09-06, 08:28 AM
Many forum members have flown with gear on numerous occasions internationally (myself included), and I have yet to read of anyone being hassled by international departure check-in check staff at home or overseas. Have they been properly educated or are they just more experienced than domestic staff/cows?
Does someone know where formal copies of the relevant laws may be acquired so that people may produce them in situations such as Jacob experienced?

ado250
08-09-06, 09:59 AM
Unfortunately, a PHD is not a pre-requisite for entry into flight staff school, so we cannot expect these people to be too clever :wink:

Luke,

How would we go about educating people (ie suggestions)? God knows the SSAA has tried when it comes to guns (although bow hunters would have an easier time of it, probably due to the nature of the weapon).

Maybe there should be a drive on here to "introduce a mate to archery" and write a short thread on the outcome or something?

I know through my recent involvement, it was at last count six other people who have picked it up, but they all are also shooters so it was easy :D

Clinglish
08-09-06, 10:58 AM
When I moved to vic I had to send the bow in a different section ,We flew with Virgin and I couldn't have been happier with the way I was treated.Maybe you just hit a dud patch of people ,Obviously to much chlorine in their gene pool. :)

jason
08-09-06, 02:09 PM
flown them all and have no problem and up until 9/11 i flew with the antlers and tusks i harvested on the tyrips as carry on, now someone might take over the cock pit with the set of antlers apparently so u have to check them in. unfortunately and i am sorry to say that with all the good medicines and hospitals we are saving to many idiots and the darwin theory is not getting run its course.

Rabbitz
08-09-06, 02:26 PM
I recently came back from the US with a new bow-case. It was full of clothes, as I had decided to use it as an extra suit case on the way home.

At Check-in in the US it didnt even raise an eyebrow...

In Sydney, two different customs guys asked me what was in the case (after they xrayed it) I said "Just clothes and shoes"

I get to quarrantine, the guy with the dog says "whats in the case?"
I said "Just clothes and shoes"

I get to the quarrantine inspection desk, he asks "whats in the case?"
I said "Just clothes and shoes"

The quarrantine supervisor comes over and asks "whats in the case?"
I said "Just clothes and shoes"

I then (politely) asked "what does it have to do with quarrantine?"
The supervisor replied "There are a few archers here and we were wondering what your new toy was!"

Rabz

macka
08-09-06, 03:02 PM
sounds like a bit of a stuff up.

I just said that it was archery gear for an archery competition when i took my bow on a plane. And i had no worries at all.

Macka

johnno
08-09-06, 03:21 PM
Jake.. sorry to hear about the stuff up, but knowing you I am sure you would have rallied to the "challenge" !!

just said that it was archery gear for an archery competition

I am told this is the way to go...if you tell them its "sporting equipment" it appeases their misplaced concerns. I admit, however, I have yet to put it to the test !! :D

Jacob Goodwin
08-09-06, 04:19 PM
I did use the "archery equipment" line...several times. As indicated previously, the people I was dealing with must have been quite intellectually limited.

What I'd like to do is contact the major airlines and get some advice from them (in writing) as to what their policy is and be able to present that document to the airport personnel. I'm not sure if this is feasible, given the size and bureaucracy of these organisations.

Jake

ed
08-09-06, 05:26 PM
yeh too many twats in the airline companies. I once asked for an exit row seat and had the check in cow (QANTAS) tell me to buy a business class ticket next time - nice attitude to a frequent flyer. I know extremely fat people get into trouble with seating but no donuts add inches to your height!

While we are on funny stories of weapons in airports. I was once helping a martial arts friend get back to Australia from Tokyo. He had loads of stuff ofcourse and I was carrying the bulk of the weapons.
When we got to the customs check in (which you have to do before you can enter the airport - even in 1990!), they ask me what am I carrying for him, I tell them bamboo practice swords, wood practice swords and a shinobi-zue (walking cane sword). To which they immediately freaked and I was surrounded by five guys carrying batons and 4 foot sticks, and asked to open the package slowly.
I did, then reached in and not so slowly drew it out of it's scabbard hehe. They all jumped back and didn't know what to do, so I put it on the bench and told them it wasn't a real one (alloy bladed practice version). Good for a laugh I must say.
The head of customs came out just to find out what martial art we trained in, and knew of our teacher so he chatted with us while he made the others pack all the weapons up again :) Turns out he was an 8th dan in kendo.

Barry
08-09-06, 05:46 PM
I think Jetstar employs all of the Rejects..... this experienced is mirrored by thier service standards in general.

danceswithdingoes
09-09-06, 06:39 PM
but no donuts add inches to your height!
ahhhh, now you tell me :roll: :oops:
as for Jetstar, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys :lol: