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Been hold'n back but....
I am amazed that some people who appeared to be novices have become "experts' in a matter of a few short months, weeks in some cases, and are now delivering uninformed or ill advice. :x Whilst some are expecting people to believe what is nothing but bull**** or flat out lies :evil:
Anyone can give advice, but not everyone can give informed or correct advice... wrong advice is WORSE than no advice at all. Incorrect advice, even if given with the purest of intentions can be costly financially and have dire consecquences with regard to the safety of the person/s taking this advice.
There are also those who give qualified/ informed advice and are not afraid to say "IMO" or "I think" these people are to be commended as they leave the door open for the uninitiated to asked further. :D
I'ts alright to say anyone asking questions shouldn't rely on one persons answer, I agree, but the fact is, some do, so let that answer be correct or at the least informed.
So.... If we don't know for sure that what we are saying is correct...say so... or say nothing.
valhalla
12-06-05, 10:01 AM
I agree 100% AXE :) -hay i thought you were going to mudgee with the Coach :o
Can we have some examples?? :shock: I'm intrigued ;)
Luke
valhalla
12-06-05, 10:10 AM
Ive seen a couple :shock: but dont want to point the finger....
If it's such a big issue (as Axe seems to point out) then why not? It is misleading and misinforming and could lead to some serious consequences (death/injury :shock: ) if someone gets the wrong critical information...so again; why not?
Luke :D
valhalla
12-06-05, 10:20 AM
Ill leave it to AXE as its his post and he sounds more upset than i do,hey did ya read the one about the trade show-can you help with the viability question :D
Ok...fair call mate... :lol:...I'll hold my breath then hey :oops:
Luke
Luke, do you want this to become a **** fight? I think Not, it's a bigger issue than egos!
The post has been put here to express my concern, the ones that it refers to will know who they are, if not through honesty, then by the pms I have sent some of 'em....but it persists with others.
I am hopeful that this thread may advise some people that hey should be involved.... but be mindful of the advice they give..
Apart from the obvious reasons, as I have explained to some, it is an issue of "duty of care" , not only for the site, but also for the individual giving advice.
It is certainly not my intention nor is it my right to keep anyone from expressing an opinion, but opinions differ from direct advice, therefore, I repeat if it is direct advice it should be informed & correct.
I have no intention of pointing the finger here, at this stage anyhow. :)
no worries, I see your point and understand your concern.
Luke :D
AXE
I agree that caution should come with any specific advice.
Not sure what posts you are reffering to specifically. If there are specific cases please let us know so we can take the appropriate action.
Generally as my experience is limited so is the technical advice that I give and the ability to see flaws in others.
Its a really good point and something that should be addressed (in a polite way). When I first got into bowhunting I was giving a lot of bad advise on gear and hunting mainly from a archery store and 1 guy. It lead to spending a lot of money I never had. I think its good for everyone with a bit of know to express interest but point out how sure you are.
I suppose this is a public forum and any **** and harry can sit behind there computer and give answers right or wrong.
We all get things wrong (even me and my mum said I was perfect) :wink:
I do think that if there is a member giving out bad information(admin mods included) then who ever has the correct information should point it out to them in a polite manner(for starters :wink: ) We can debate it after that if there not convinced.
I Think you have done the right thing by pm'ing these members Axe and not posting it here (at this stage). If the members think you are wrong and there right then maybe they will open it for discussion. Anyhows we can all learn from each other if our minds are open (I'll just get my hachet)
Adam
I agree, it happens, But alot of questions will be answered subjectively. What you think is right in your opinion may not be right in anothers. You ask 10 different bowhunters and you'll probably recieve 10 different answers.
Pete F
There's more then one way to skin a cat no dout. But I think axe is talking about bad information that dosn't even involve a knife or a cat. I have no idea of who he talks about and I'm sure it wasn't meant but probly should be addressed as it has.
Keep the peace :wink: Adam
I agree, it happens, But alot of questions will be answered subjectively. What you think is right in your opinion may not be right in anothers. You ask 10 different bowhunters and you'll probably recieve 10 different answers.
Pete F
Yeah Pete what you say is right, but I think you may have missed the point.....I couldn't care less about subjectivity & opinions they aren't the problem, as long as they're given as such, it's the misinformation & downright crap that costs newbies, be it financial or injury :roll:
Axe,
All I can add to this discussion is that if your lucky (as I am) to be helped by a few blokes that do know what they're talking about and can provide you with the 'realities' of bowhunting, not just the theories, then your more than half way there....
After speaking to these guys, you soon work out who's talking crap!! I also think that until you talk with someone face to face you will have problems.
I've already created some great friendships through bowhunting and I'm sure this will only continue.
rory
Axe said- it's the misinformation & downright crap that costs newbies, be it financial or injury
Fair enough... I guess if its poses problem that could harm someone or do damage then it's our duty to point that out and tell em why its wrong instead of just reading it and saying you should have said something when they injure some one or worse.
Axe, Could you possibly give an example :?:
Pete F :D
Axe said- it's the misinformation & downright crap that costs newbies, be it financial or injury
Fair enough... I guess if its poses problem that could harm someone or do damage then it's our duty to point that out and tell em why its wrong instead of just reading it and saying you should have said something when they injure some one or worse.
Axe, Could you possibly give an example :?:
Pete F :D
Pete, that's why I raised the issue & did mention it to a couple that concerned me.
Mate, to give examples would be to be pointing the finger, to this point in time the way it's gone hasn't started a "brawl" & I would rather not start one as yet, hopefully never. Now that it's out there, I would hope that one & all would bring it to the Groups notice if in the future these types of things arise.
Please don't think that I am the "thought police or trying to be a control freak" far from it ....... the same standard of responsible behaviour expected applies to me also :)
bowriver
14-06-05, 02:45 PM
Well i didnt recieve a PM from Axe so im safe :D
Sc(+)pE
14-06-05, 04:14 PM
lol I was thinking the same thing, then when I checked my email that said I received a pm Im like, **** Im in trouble.
lol I was thinking the same thing, then when I checked my email that said I received a pm Im like, **** Im in trouble.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I rekona few would have checked their Pm box.
Start'n to wonder if this has been a smart move on my behalf re this thread :?: :wink:
Well Axe it certainly hasn't done any harm.
I didn't recieve a PM but if I have ever given bad or dodge advice I hearby appologise for any bad info given, But I generally only repeat what I have been told after I have asked questions on dif subjects.
Hood 8)
Thats right Jeff,
From memory I always quote that either "this is what I was told" or "this is what I do", I don't think that I have ever said "THIS IS THE WAY YOU DO IT" but if I ever have :oops:
I know that I for one have still got a hell of a lot to learn about archery and hunting and hope that I never stop learning.
Hood 8)
If your looking for dodgy answers about bowhunting then visit www.archery-forum.com and go into the bowhunting forum. I see quite regularly archers who have nothing to do with hunting or ever been hunting, answer questions wrongly, as though they are experts, and know everything about it...
:D
Lets forget about "AXE", it's the issue that matters :)
Surely by now anyone that has had anything to add to this has done so, so ......IMHO it would be nice if we can give all the rhetoric a miss re this subject, & get back to enjoying the site :)
Agreed! The point was made and the rest is as Axe puts it 'rhetoric' although I can think of some other words starting with b & s :lol:
When I get a chance I will put a post up in the announcement section about what is expected when giving advice on the forum.
Generally I think its pretty good here and the fact that people are always willing to help is FANTASTIC, we dont want to stop people sharing thier opinions either.
as a newbie I am quite thankful of the way people take the time to answer my silly questions. Special thanks goes to Glenn and Axe who take the time to explain why they have their viewpoint.
This site is far better than any other archery site I have checked because of the easy nature of the responses. Other sites I tried before would not even answer a newbie question except to say "welcome to our site", big deal, newbies want answers! And Axe is right, qualified answers, not qualified with I am old and grey so I know, but this is my experience and this is the state of knowledge about archery.
There will always be differing opinions even with experienced people but if the differences are reasoned then a newbie can think it through and make a decision without having to decide which net personality he likes better or some other sort of disciple-ish sycophantic behaviour.
Keep the opinions and discussion coming guys.
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