It's happened again

[HOOD]

http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=2508

[Arra Slinger]

OH HOW I WOULD LOVE TO GET MY HANDS ON THESE PRICKS :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[macka]

There we go! More food fore groups like PETA :roll: :roll: Some people really know how to #*.-^ things up for the rest of us!

Macka :|

[bowriver]

Just what we need, one more strike for peta types to add to there list of the "cons" of hunting, a few stupid @sshole cowboys giving the rest a bad name, anyone shooting a roo ought to be shot themselves, esspecially shooting in such an unethical way. This sort of crap really gets to me :evil:

[adam]

We responable bowhunters(non native shootiers) need to point out that we have no interest in shooting natives, and that we only hunt feral animals in Australia which are legal to hunt. Bloody idiot/s, most likely someone who has brought a bow from like toy world or something. Not interested in the thrills of a hunt but the kill of an animal, desperate F^#ks.

Adam

[adam]

Zoo officials in Australia have saved the life of a kangaroo who was hit in the neck with a hunter's arrow.

This is from one of the last shootings, notice Hunters arrow. I'm sure theres gunna be more of this put up over the net for the world to see.

How do we prevent this from happening??

[adam]

It even made it to the show,Ripleys believe it or not last time
Kangaroo Survives Arrow

An Australian kangaroo is shot through the neck with a 3-foot arrow and lives with it for two weeks until he is captured and operated on. He survives and is returned to the wild!

[adam]

And how about this :evil:

Stray arrow leaves Ã*roo with a raw hide
03.05.2005



DURING his two decades as owner of YambaÃ*s Aston Villa Motor Inn, Mark Aston had never seen anything like it.

On April 11, Mr Aston called Clarence Valley Wildlife Information and Rescue Service (WIRES) to rescue a kangaroo with an arrow through its anus.

The animal was one of more than 30 local eastern grey kangaroos which often grazed west of his Mulgi Street business.

Clarence Valley Council ranger Neville Frost helped capture the injured kangaroo.

"It was in the paddock near the hotel and had an arrow through its anus; there is no other way of putting it," he said.

He tranquillised the animal before taking it to Dr Anton Sluyters at Yamba Veterinary Clinic.





"Dr Sluyters examined the animal and took the arrow out, it was quite easy to slip through," Mr Frost said.
He said he thought the arrow may have been shot from a long bow.

"I wasnÃ*t very nice, the poor kangaroo, it was trying to get the arrow out," Mr Frost said.

"You could see it had gone straight across the anal area, it didnÃ*t go up."

Mr Frost said even with the arrow head broken off, the arrow measured 45.72 centimetres in length.

ñ Leigh Pritchard.

[Sc(+)pE]

Just say you were the one who shot the kangaroo. you miss fired your aim was off or something. would look for it till you found it if not how long would you look for it till you called it a night?

I was just thinking maybe the hunter who shot it couldnt find the roo after he hit. The roo would have piss bolted out of place pretty quick.

[adam]

Scope mate, its uneducated guys like yourself that are gunna bring us apart, Its illegal to shoot kangaroos with a bow mate. No native animals can be hunted with a bow in Australia. You have got to know these thing before yo ugo out hunting.

How many guys think they can just pick up a bow and shoot any animal :roll:

[brian]

thats a good point there adam - education is the key to all this - thats how the antis prey on the average joes mind - by using their lack of education on the subject to sway their opinion.
i reckon whoever did that should quote "have the book thrown at them".
or maybe shoot them in the arse!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

[GladstoneCrow]

8) Of course the Local paper had to mention that there are "also a number of residents in the area said to be bow hunters". So what. there are probably a number of residents that are shooters in the area also and fishermen to name a few.............. What gets me is the way they write it

Front page Headlines: Roo hunt
Animal shot by crossbow evades rescue attempts

..................Crow 8) 8)

[valhalla]

Dont know what ya meant about the headline....please tell

[stickbender]

valhalla click on link on hoods first post and you will see what we are up in arms about

[Hoyt_Trykon]

PRICKS!!!!
They really know how to ruin it for us "RESPONSIBLE" hunters. It's so frustrating!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: Can't they just stick to the ferals?!!!!!!

[Sc(+)pE]

Scope mate, its uneducated guys like yourself that are gunna bring us apart

Nah mate uneducated guys like me dont hunt and I wont hunt till I know all the rules and regulations, please dont generalise me into a group when I havent even hunted with a bow before.

[valhalla]

Here we go again :!: a Bow or a Crossbow would have resulted in the same outcome :!: please dont be getting angry and try and separate yourself from any one disapline.If thats what your getting at.
I for one dont agree we should shoot Natives-But this is clearly the work of someone who doesnt know the first thing about hunting...... :!: :!:

[valhalla]

The first thing you have to learn is not to try and shoot anything in the head :!: with a bow-its not just an issue of following the animal up as you said- it is completly unethical..... :!: :!:


Scope mate, its uneducated guys like yourself that are gunna bring us apart

Nah mate uneducated guys like me dont hunt and I wont hunt till I know all the rules and regulations, please dont generalise me into a group when I havent even hunted with a bow before.

[humphrey]

im glad to see that the members on that site are quick to point out that it appears to be a crossbow arrow, and that means "all the difference". :roll:
it makes no difference whatsoever. :evil:

crossbow or other bow, the fact is that if all there going to do is play the blame game, then they are not helping the cause.

what they have to stress is that it is an unethical idiot with a piece of archery equipment. it doesn't matter what piece of archery equipment was used.

[valhalla]

Here Here :!: :!: :!: i second that... :D :D

[adam]

The first thing you have to learn is not to try and shoot anything in the head with a bow-its not just an issue of following the animal up as you said- it is completly unethical.....

You shouldn't be shooting at roos for starters let alone there head :roll:
Scope, its good to know that you haven't hunted yet, get all the laydown on these types of things first :D

Crossbow compound tradbow all all the same thing to the antis because they all fling arrows, so theres no use just pushing it onto the crossbow shooters. :evil:

[valhalla]

Hey Adam did ya read my earlier post..... :?:

Here we go again :!: a Bow or a Crossbow would have resulted in the same outcome :!: please dont be getting angry and try and separate yourself from any one disapline.If thats what your getting at.
I for one dont agree we should shoot Natives-But this is clearly the work of someone who doesnt know the first thing about hunting...... :!: :!:

[adam]

Oh yep thanks mate.

[HOOD]

I agree we as ethical hunters be it with curve, logbow, crossbow or compound need to band together against the yobbos' that do the wrong thing and make our beloved past time look bad.

It is just unfortunate that the vast majority of these insidence are carried out using a crossbow, as it is the (carful here mick) easiest form of archery for the inexperienced to use as it is similare to a rifle thus making aiming easier (not that they can aim for s*** to start with as the pics prove) for the idiots that intend on shooting what ever moves.

I to pointed out on Ozbow that it looked like a crossbow bolt, but that comment wasn't aimed at the ethical crossbow shooters but rather in defence of Wardie whos in the front line of it all at the moment.

I for one would like to try a crossbow one day.

Hood 8)

[humphrey]

i agree that it is the easiest piece of archery equipment to shoot accurately with when starting out. most people would learn within the hour to shoot a roo sized target out to 50 metres, and thats why the yobbos choose them. they dont care where they hit them, just as long as they hit them.

[ed]

It would probably help if some ABA rep contacted that paper and made them aware of the responsible hunters having hunting licenses, knowing not to hunt natives and never taking a head shot. The aim should be to clear the bowhunting community from the damage done by a yahoo.

Ed - yet to be an ABA member due to not being free on Sundays (the only day the only ABA club in miles is open) I will get there one day :(

[adam]

I think aba should jump on this, however you don't need to be in aba to be a responable hunter. I know what your saying though ed.

Adam

[interceptor]

I think some of the blame should be pointed towards those who sell Bow Hunting Equipment, espescially crossbows. Now holdon and don't get your nickers in a knot. The reason I said crossbow is you could give a crossbow to a complete novice and chances are that with the crossbows inherent accuracy the said novice could hit coke cans at 20 mtrs all day. Straight away he says "holy crap, I could probably hit an animal with this no worries" and off he goes, no thought towards broadheads let alone sharp broadheads, and even less knowledge of kill zones, legal game etc.

Now take the same novice and put a bare bow (or even sighted compound) in his hands. By the time he is proficient enough to hit coke cans at 20mtrs all day he has probably been at it for weeks if not months (I know it took me a long time anyway) by this time chances are he has had contact with other Bowhunters and/or maybe an archery club. Hopefully now our novice has picked up on a few of the important things like Broadhead effectivness, kill zones and of course Bowhunting ethics.

Perhaps the manufacturers should include booklets with the crossbows that outline some of this info, atleast then it would be up to the individuals own ethic as to what he does instead of just lack of knowledge.

I realise that it is not the crossbow, but lack of knowledge that makes the problem, it just seems to be a crossbow more often than not.

Just my thought on the matter.

Cheers Noel

[adam]

Excellent post Noel and totally agree with what you have said.

[HOOD]

Nicely put Noel

Hood 8)

[valhalla]

I dont agree :!: :!: Compounds are pretty easy to master these days with scopes and release aids and Carbon arrows and the like.good groups at 50 metres are easily attained.Lets look at it this way would you like it if you one day had to jump through hoops as Crossbow shooters now do,believe me it probably will come around a lot sooner than you think and you to will have to justify why you need to possess one.I shoot Compound Bows as well and dont want this to happen but if there is always division between groups that is where everything breaks down.how would you like to pay the Government $170 a year just to be able to use it... :?: what will you say when one day which has happened before the arrow is full length and came out of a regular bow.......... :shock:

[adam]

We ain't against compounds mate, reread our posts.

[valhalla]

im not either read my post :D

[valhalla]

Hay Adam dont you like Crossbows :!: had a bad experience or something did ya :P ,or you just decided you dont like them :)

[adam]

he he he its was supose to have crossbows instead of compound.
We ain't against compounds mate, reread our posts.

[valhalla]

All as im saying is -as was mentioned-i dont think we need to regulate one more than the other as- Crossbows now are already over regulated its getting nearly as hard to obtain a Crossbow as a centrefire Rifle........ :shock:

[interceptor]

Val,

Sorry mate, but I have shot my brothers top of the line compound crossbow, I blew two bolts to bits at 15 mtrs in my first four shots (I thought the first Robin Hood was a fluke) and you will never convince me that someone will pickup a compoud bow (sighted with release aid and or scope or carbon arrows) and be able to shoot it to anywhere near the same level of accuracy.

As stated previously in this forum Yobbos use crossbows because they can hit where they aim. It is not the fault of the ethical Crossbow hunter, but as I said some blame should go towards the people who sell them for not informing the buyer of some of the finer points of the weapon that our mate has just purchased.

I have a friend who sells archery gear, he has taken great delight in tell all who will listen how he sold x amount of crossbows to blokes who he has never seen before or after. If I was selling this type of gear I would be pretty fussy as too whom I would sell. I love my Bowhunting and if I sold a crossbow (or any other type of gear for that matter) I would like to think that I did everything I could to instill the practical and ethical requirements into every person who bought my gear, as it will eventually effect my right to hunt as well!

If we all did this at every opportunity there would be fewer uneducated people out there stuffing it up for the rest of us who do the right thing.

Cheers Noel

[valhalla]

Ive destroyed arrows at 15 metres and i think you will find others have to at this distance :) heaps of people every day buy Archery equipment and are never seen by dealers again.... :!: and as i said before Crossbows are far more regulated than any other Archery equipment its only a matter of time and you to will be in the same situation probably.....ive seen a lot of Yobbos with archery gear over the years with all types of equipment -yobbos im afraid will never stop :!:

[valhalla]

[quote="interceptor"]Val,

Sorry mate, but I have shot my brothers top of the line compound crossbow, I blew two bolts to bits at 15 mtrs in my first four shots (I thought the first Robin Hood was a fluke) and you will never convince me that someone will pickup a compoud bow (sighted with release aid and or scope or carbon arrows) and be able to shoot it to anywhere near the same level of accuracy.

And as you said above which one is the more accurate-a newbie with a compound is far more likely to injure game than with a Crossbow you have said it ya self!!!sorry mate but im sick of this Crossbow verses Compound thing. :?

[valhalla]

And also you now need a licence to buy a Crossbow :shock: .you dont need a licence to buy a Bow just the cash-im just worried my Bows will be the next regulated Weapon, :shock: and we all no what comes next registration then confiscation....... :!: :( :( :(

[Neill Morgan]

I think some of the blame should be pointed towards those who sell Bow Hunting Equipment, espescially crossbows.

This is a valid point and the problem is with the point of sale of bowhunting equipment is that the reseller quite often wants you to come back to them to ask questions and they don't supply the documentation that normally comes with the equipment.

Perhaps the manufacturers should include booklets with the crossbows that outline some of this info, atleast then it would be up to the individuals own ethic as to what he does instead of just lack of knowledge.

The manufactures of crossbow hunting equipment have always supplied booklets with there equipment but it doesnt make it past the reseller again. Some of the manufactures even produce a video for the owner of a new crossbow so they understand the product and the ethics behind the equipment but they make good promo material so its more useful for them to be taken out of the package and sold seperately.

I realise that it is not the crossbow, but lack of knowledge that makes the problem, it just seems to be a crossbow more often than not.

This is being addressed to a degree with the licencing process forcing people to join clubs and obtain licences or permits for the crossbow but some of these probplems could have been avoided if ABA opened there doors years ago and let crossbow owners into there clubs and tought them the ethics they should know instead of shuting them out.

I know the constitution of ABA dosn't recognise the thing called a crossbow but can't they recognise the need for education and accept the owners into there clubs and teach them the ethics that all bow hunters should abide by.

Its being practiced in a couple of clubs why cant all do it?

Neill

[interceptor]

Neill,

I think that you will find, when ABA can make a buck out of it they will take it on no worries. My guess is they are just waiting for the proficiency test to be mandatory and they will atleast accept crossbow shooters for the testing, most likely for a fee.

Val,

Unsure of your last post re: accuracy, I was commenting on my brothers compound CROSSBOW. It is without doubt the most accurate and easily shot piece of archery equipment that I have ever seen. I do not know of too many first time archers who would be able to shoot a bow (longbow,recurve or compound, with or without sights and such) anywhere near as accurately.

I never said this was a crossbow versus other types of archery battle. I agree that we must stick together and try and educate all that will listen. Unfortunately some sellers are just happy to make a sale, this was the main target of my post, NOT CROSSBOW SHOOTERS. I feel they (the sellers) must feel comfortable knowing they have atleast tried to give the novice some tips on what is right and wrong before the lad walks out of the shop.

BUT as has already been mentioned............there will all ways be YOBBO's (regardless of the gear they use). Some how they need to be educated or atleast labelled for what they are, seperate from the main core of practicing Bowhunters/Crossbow Hunters/Field Archers who all ways carry out there chosen part of this great sport with a high degree of ethics and sense.

Cheers Noel

[humphrey]

im all for an accuracy and handling test and a cooling off period before a crossbow be bought, but i also feel as though the same should apply for ANY piece of archery equipment. it is only going to benefit us in the end.

as for accuracy and ease of use etc, a yobbo could hit a roo/wallaby with almost any type of bow close range. it just happens that most of the time they choose a crossbow. :roll:

[adam]

im all for an accuracy and handling test and a cooling off period before a crossbow be bought, but i also feel as though the same should apply for ANY piece of archery equipment. it is only going to benefit us in the end.

Me too mate, this was a huge discussion in the past fo rus here on TBGA


I suppose a crossbow is like a pitbull
Good dogs but because of there looks the yobbos buy them. Crossbows like and sound tuff, CROSSSBOW atracting the guy that is already getting it for the wrong reasons.

[jindydiver]

im all for an accuracy and handling test and a cooling off period before a crossbow be bought, but i also feel as though the same should apply for ANY piece of archery equipment. it is only going to benefit us in the end.

as for accuracy and ease of use etc, a yobbo could hit a roo/wallaby with almost any type of bow close range. it just happens that most of the time they choose a crossbow. :roll:

That would be doing the anti's work for them bloke. Are you seriously saying that you would have someone wait some period of time to pick up their new longbow after paying for it? What would be achieved by this, except aggravation to the purchaser? Would it make people think about what they are going to do with their archery equipment? And stop people from shooting at protected wildlife? Or would it just be something to make people feel better?

I am a firearms owner and I have seen my ability to freely enjoy that sport become so strangled by red tape this last decade that I donÃ*t think I could agree with archery heading the same way.

Just think about it for a minute. How would a cooling off period on ALL archery equipment prevent ****heads from doing the wrong thing? For that mater, how will a cooling off period on crossbows prevent ****heads from shooting rooÃ*s (or in a recent case, seals)?

And once you head down this path, where do you see it stopping? Licensing, registration, safekeeping laws?

[jason]

How are self bow makers going to deal with a cooling off period, they will have to make it, then put it in a cupboard for 2 weeks just to make sure they really needed to spend all those weeks making that bow and are not going to do something stoopid. This is were the bow licencing will never work. My friend can sit at home and make a self bow and hunt without there ever being a record of its manufacture. Would love to know if the beauricats that a looking at bows have even contimplated the logistics of archery. I for 1 do not want my beloved sport to go the way of everything else i have owned (Pit Bulls , Guns) i swear the government watches me and what ever i own they try and ban :lol:
Unfortunately i think the media BAN-wagon is rolling out and i doubt that these incidents did not happen every year it is just the media have burned out the guns, the pistols, the pit buls half way thru the bullbar and 4wd so what is next but all those lunitics running around with bow and arrows :evil:

[valhalla]

Thats what ive been trying to tell Intercepter and Adam but not having much luck :!: at least someone else has been through, what ive been throught -and am still going through :!: :!: Noel- as for my post about accuracy if a novice picks up a crossbow and as you said its more accurate from the start- which is he more likely to injure game with if the Bow isnt.. ill leave it at that..... :!: :D



That would be doing the anti's work for them bloke. Are you seriously saying that you would have someone wait some period of time to pick up their new longbow after paying for it? What would be achieved by this, except aggravation to the purchaser? Would it make people think about what they are going to do with their archery equipment? And stop people from shooting at protected wildlife? Or would it just be something to make people feel better?

I am a firearms owner and I have seen my ability to freely enjoy that sport become so strangled by red tape this last decade that I donÃ*t think I could agree with archery heading the same way.

Just think about it for a minute. How would a cooling off period on ALL archery equipment prevent ****heads from doing the wrong thing? For that mater, how will a cooling off period on crossbows prevent ****heads from shooting rooÃ*s (or in a recent case, seals)?

And once you head down this path, where do you see it stopping? Licensing, registration, safekeeping laws?

[interceptor]

Val,

My point re accuracy is this:

Because a crossbow is so easy to shoot accurately, a novice could by a crossbow take it home sight it in and think to himself "I am ready to go hunting"
The problem here is our mate has no idea of the need for sharp broadheads, shot placement and or the legallity of his intended target.

Take the same bloke, he goes into a shop and buys himself a bow, takes it home and has to practice for atleast a few weeks to be capable of even hitting a 12" circle at 20 mtrs (Idon't know how long this should take, I know it took me a while without out side help).

If our mate says **** this is hard, I might ask around for help, maybe a club or another bowhunter/archer.
Straight away he is exposed to knowledge of what is really required to take animals humanely.

Do you see the difference?

Noel

[Pete]

Valhalla,
Just out of curiousity, what did you have to go through to get a X-bow permit :?:

As for a cool off period to purchase archery equipment, i don't reckon that it would make any diffence to people shooting wildlife etc.

Pete F

[valhalla]

It wouldnt have made any difference :!: as was mentioned ,they didnt even bother to try and use Broadheads- so i dont think they would have been responsible enough to practice to get competant with any type of gear... :!: and it will one day happen with a bow...,as its to much trouble these days to aquire a Crossbow :!: :!: :evil:


Val,

My point re accuracy is this:

Because a crossbow is so easy to shoot accurately, a novice could by a crossbow take it home sight it in and think to himself "I am ready to go hunting"
The problem here is our mate has no idea of the need for sharp broadheads, shot placement and or the legallity of his intended target.

Take the same bloke, he goes into a shop and buys himself a bow, takes it home and has to practice for atleast a few weeks to be capable of even hitting a 12" circle at 20 mtrs (Idon't know how long this should take, I know it took me a while without out side help).

If our mate says **** this is hard, I might ask around for help, maybe a club or another bowhunter/archer.
Straight away he is exposed to knowledge of what is really required to take animals humanely.

Do you see the difference?

Noel

[valhalla]

Valhalla,
Just out of curiousity, what did you have to go through to get a X-bow permit :?:

As for a cool off period to purchase archery equipment, i don't reckon that it would make any diffence to people shooting wildlife etc.

Pete F

1.You have to be a Member of an approved Club...
2.You have to be over 18 years of age...
3.They need a copy of Drivers Licence and all contact details..
4.Medical history has to be provided..
5.Previous history of any offences
6.Crossbow has to be stored in a locked Safe unstrung and trigger lock..
7.Need a reason to accuire if for hunting you need a letter from a property owner.
8.if you dont have a Gun licence it costs 138.10 a year with Shooters licence 117.70 a year just to posess it :!: :!:

Hope this clears it up i might have missed some things but the application is 8 pages long thats why i get the sh#ts every time someone attacks Crossbow shooters :evil: :evil:

Thanks for the question Pete

[interceptor]

Val,

Mate I think you are looking at this from a different point of view than me.

What I am sayng is that they don't know that they need to use broadheads because the amount of time it has taken them to master shooting a crossbow is so short, they are not exposed to enough information!

if the same bloke masters a normal bow he has been at it for a fair bit longer, thus more chance of being exposed to the right info.

I have not attacked crossbow shooters I THINK YOU ARE WINDING YOURSELF UP A BIT.

INFORMATION AND EDUCATION IS THE KEY.

By the way I don't think you have to go through that much in QLD for a crossbow, maybe that is some of the problem maybe not.

Personally mate I am over this anyway, some times people just don't see things for what they are.

Noel

[valhalla]

Lets agree to Disagree mate... :!: and if you dont know what the requirements are why comment-this is what i had to go through :shock: im sure Neill from Queensland can add some more in relation to Laws in his state -i also think in other states you have to also do a safety course as well-and i dont know what makes you think that if these bozos had more time they would have magically became more responsible, they could have done the same exact thing with Bow and arrow.... :D

Quote: INFORMATION AND EDUCATION IS THE KEY.
yeah and who is doing this at the moment in relation to any archery gear as ive said you dont have to join a club to buy a Bow and Arrow...so whos doing the education for someone who goes out and buys a Bow who doesnt intend on joining a club but thinks they might just go out and have a crack :?:

[humphrey]

the reason for a cooling off period would be to help stop impulse buying. if a yobbo walks into an archery shop and is told to lay out hundreds of dollars for a bow and then he has to come back and pick it up in a fortnights time, theres a good chance he'll be put off by it and just say 'stuff it'.

jason, as for the custom bow makers your referring to, i highly doubt a yobbos first pick for a new weekend toy would be a very expensive custom made bow. :roll: and if it was, the time it takes for the bowyer to make it would be a type of 'cooling off' period anyway. :roll: :roll:

val, when did you get your crossbow? i got mine a month before the crap happened, and was told by a shop and archery club that my membership with the club was all i needed to keep my bow. i dont have it unstrung or locked away or anything like that.

[valhalla]

Ive had the Xbow for approx 6 years now-and yes this is whats required now- everything has to be secured -as the police can come to your house at any time and inspect how it is stored :(

[Neill Morgan]

Noel

Qld is as strick about the aquisition and holding of a crossbow as Victoria and NSW they are banned completely but the majority of insidence that happen are in NSW and there are more illegal crossbow there than any where else.

I am the president of a crossbow club that has been approved by the police service and I understand only to well what is required to have and hold a crossbow in Qld but we don't limit ourselves to crossbows all are welcome.

The problem is as I pointed out earlier that ABA as the main bowhunting association in this country should have taken up the role of education very early in the peace for all forms of archery.

The crossbows shooter needs no special attention to understand his equipment only guidance as to what ethics they should follow as a bowhunter.

Surely ABA is willing to train the indevidual even if they cannot use their equipment in club competitions.

One bowhunting group in this country is all we need and its time everyone understood this instead of saying its them and us.

Neill

[interceptor]

Val,

When I was in Queensland they were only just talking about restricting crossbows (and compounds for that matter). Once again you have missed my point, no-one knows what goes through a yobbos mind when they go out and do these things. I am saying that if they are exposed to more info then they have the option to learn.

Alot of people would not know that you need a sharp broadhead to kill an animal I like to think that most people would want to be able to shoot their chosen weapon well enough to hit the kill zone at say 20mtrs before going hunting, this is going to take longer with a bow than a crossbow. More time = more info.

Noel

[valhalla]

As ive said i dont agree with you -lets leave it at that....... :!: :D

[HOOD]

As far as I'm aware,
Here in S.A. you don't need a licence or have to do a safety course to get a crossbow you can just walk into Archery Mart and walk out with a CB (after paying for it of course) and there are no laws on storing them at home either or being a member of a club. But I may be wrong.

Hood 8)

[valhalla]

Depends in what state you live in.. :D

[Pete]

Valhalla, Thanks mate...
With all the crap to go through, I guess they hope that you'll just say bugger it and not bother.

Pete F

[Demitri]

This is the reason why i refuse to go hunting (not that anyone has offered) because i dont want to go out there and wound an animal i have been affected by this sort of thing before (not in the bowhunting side of things) but still it pisses me off, people should be compitant before they are alowed to hold a bow let alone shoot one at a target or an animal, FFS!

/EndRant

[jindydiver]

This is the reason why i refuse to go hunting (not that anyone has offered) because i dont want to go out there and wound an animal i have been affected by this sort of thing before (not in the bowhunting side of things) but still it pisses me off, people should be compitant before they are alowed to hold a bow let alone shoot one at a target or an animal, FFS!

/EndRant

Demitri, welcome back.

How does someone become competent with a bow without holding it? or shooting it at a target?