bill bakers write up

[wazza_X force]

i bought the newest bowhunting down under today and after reading the questions for cashy, i noticed a full page right up from bill baker about a so called friend... it didnt give any deatails but it was obvious who he was talking about... a certain deciever who has become quite infamous on the sight for some lies...

can anyone tell me what the point of this was... this isnt a dig, but i didnt quite get the whole way through it so i wasnt sure if there was a bit at the end with a message...

thanks... wazza

[HOOD]

Was basicly telling readers and future submitters to be true to them selves, friends and the general public when telling stories about their hunting exploits (and life in general). As when you tell a 'tall one' you will most likely eventually come unstuck and end up with pie on your face and having to confess your sins.
If it is a fictional story (like Puks story in that same issue) make it known that it's a fictional story.
The higher you raise yourself on that pedastal the further you have to fall.
It won't just be you or your reputation that is hurt when the truth comes out. Think about those that think highly of you, as well as how your lies will affect them and their future judgement of others and their "stories".

JMHO and JM2cW :wink:

Well thats what I got out of it.

[wazza_X force]

ahhhhh... i knew there would have been a point to it... i left it in my mates car so i dont have it with me to read it...

thanks for clearing that up for me mate...

cheers, wazza

[Jobin]

i thought he was also trying to tell us the real meaning of hunting with a bow (in the last few paragraphs) "we all have to do it for all the right reasons"

[bowhunting4eva]

i also read that article but can not figure out who it is. i have been on this site for 4 months now so should i know who it is. am i allowed to know or can someome tell me who it is. if my curiosity is going to far just let me know. i have one person in my mind that i think it could be.
john

[GlennMac]

I think it was written mainly to let us bowhunters know exactly what had happened as S.S said he wanted to tell everyone in his own words what he had done but didn't confess to anything just wrote a STORY on everything but what he had actually done.I think it was something that should have been written!!

[jindydiver]

"near impossible" :?
There are plenty of guys on this site alone (let alone amongst all the bowhunters who aren't members) who have been within easy bow range of many free range deer. Are they all super hunters, or are they all just lucky?
One guy can't help himself but tell a few porkies and now all bowhunters are looked at with suspicion, that is the real tragedy here
:(

[timbo]

There is a photo of the person concerned in the current 'Autum" issue of Wild deer and hunting adventures (pg 110 if you want to check). This person is posing with a chital stag his bow proudly displayed across the animal. However the caption states it was "taken with a RIFLE"

Tim

[Glenn]

Some people have to make a big note of themselves even if it is by ABA has had it's fair of cheats over the years just so they can get their name in the record book for something they didn't earn. They will always be around as long as there are game awards handed out, they come with the territory.
If awards were handed out for a hunters ethics and not for the game they shoot they would never get a look-in...Glenn...

[Kimall]

I never really got into the original thread about this because I felt so many people where commenting from a tall poppy syndrome perspective and I am not going to be dragged into an argument here but I am now in a better place to talk about how I feel about this PERSON that now has no name.
I met Simon at a trad shoot last year and we shot the round together,it rained solid for the whole weekend and it was the first trad shoot I had been to but it was easliy the best shoot I had or have ever attended.I found Simon competative(very) but just as quick to help me with my shooting also and the patience he showed his young fellow shooting was inspirational also.We exchanged numbers after the shoot and kept in contact over the next few months.I mentioned in passing one day how nice the Chital deer are and without hesitation the offer was extended to come up and hunt them anytime.Now we all get these type of offers from time to time but not often are they folllowed through with.It was all arranged and flights booked and I found myself on the hunting trip of a lifetime.I stayed a week at Simon's place under under his roof with the traveling and the long days hunting we spent a lot of time together.
How often do you find someone you can spend a whole week in camp with and not have any sign of a bad vibe.He refused to carry the bow as he said I had not come this far to see him shoot something and he hunted harder than I have ever hunted to get one of these ghosts and I learnt so much from him that I will use from now on.When not hunting we shot the bows heaps (both trad and tech ) and he shoots as good as any I have seen.He has the skills and feel that only comes with an intense passion for what he is doing.
Do I agree with what he has done "NO WAY' but all I can say is that it is a slip in an otherwise very nice routine.He did what he did and I am not here to answer for him, that is for him to do one day if he chooses but I will say I call him a Friend and I dont say that often.To make a statment like "Did he shoot any with a bow" could only be made by a person that does not know Simon.It does sicken me to hear some of the people going on when I know they have had trouble with the law or been caught poaching(or just not caught yet).Its a bit like people wait for the chance to stick it to someone almost like its a chance to cover some of the other high profile people that may not be shiny clean themselves.
I know for a fact that he feels bad that some of the younger hunters that look up to him may be a bit dissapointed but he is also quick to notice that not many of his so called mates have picked up the phone to say HI since it all happened.
Enough of a rant from me and as I say I dont wont this thread to have to be locked because of a blue but I wanted to put forward that just remember that this guy is the first to help another hunter young or old and loves his bowhunting like nothing else and is one of the most easy going and generous people you are likley to meet.He was before this happened and still is now.
Cheers KIM
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[Kimall]

Yer thats them love them great boot bit noisey though.
Cheers KIM

[wazza_X force]

fully and totally agree kim... like you said, he was one of the only people that would follow through on an offer... my mate mentioned to him that he wanted to go on a fallow trip and similiarly, without hesitation, he offered to take him out... the offer wasnt taken, but Simon continually asked him if he was up for it...

like you said... one bad streak in an otherwise awesome guy by the sounds of it...

im not really in the position to make a solid comment because i havent ever come into contact with him... but a lot of people have had similiar experiences as you did kim....

[perry]

Well put Kimall , Only met Simon once or twice over the years friendly enough bloke! , he wouldn't know me from a bar of soap, why we gotta cut down tall poppies , celebrity's , whoever for being human is beyond me . I've made plenty of silly decisions in my time . Focus on the good we do I say , keeps me looking ahead . regards Perry

[Al Kidner]

Lets just get one thing straight here lads.... Mr Baker's article into the mag was not penned from the view point of being "Tall poppy" syndrome. Read that again if it failed to sink in the first time.

The article was written for people to learn from this sad state of events. What I fail to see is how, all of a sudden the person in question, is being put up as a Martyr. What is with that? It makes me wonder about the future of Australian bowhunting if, by becoming a "Bowhunting Celebrity/Legend" , what ever the hell that is, you think it's quite O.K to lie & cheat. Not just the once but for a long period of time.

People wern't overly pissed with the person in question, jumping the fence here and there, people... good people... were pissed with the intended cover up after the shockwave.

Again more lies told to save his skin.

And as for many of his "Friends" not jumping on the phone to come to his aid... he burnt all his bridges long before being found out as a lying cheat in this neck of the woods. People were a wake up to his methods of operation and moved in different directions.

Oh and for the record, it makes me sick to think he has failed to learn from this and is still telling big ones.


Thats my rant, it's not 2c worth ... more like a buck 50.

[Kimall]

Al I know this is a bit personal for you as per the PM you sent me but please reread the very first sentance of my post.I said I did not comment on the ORIGINAL THREAD it had nothing to do with the write up by Bill.I have in fact not even read it yet and because of this I did not even comment on the article.
What I DID comment on was the man as I know him,I made it quite clear that I did not condone what was done and I def did not defend what Simon had done.If you took my comments as being directed at you then so be it but that was not my intention.I will not be drawn into an argument over the scandle as I was not involved and it is not place to do so but it is clear you feel very strongly about it and that is something only you can do something about.
It seems as though something else must have happened since the original thread also because I think you finished your post by saying to Simon the the kettle was always on and you would love a chat if he felt the need.From this most recent post I would think that may now not be the case.Again that is not my business but I DO have the right to speak of how I find a person.If that person has done things in the past then that is their burdon to carry but I dont do background checks on people before I let myself get to know them.I am sure there are not many people walking the land today that we could not dig up some dirt on if we start digging.
As for making anyone into a marter,if that is what I did then that was my lack of communication skills as that was not or would it be Simons wishes,if anything he would prob just let it all subside as I believe that continual public floggings wont help the greater cause of bowhunting in Australia.
Al I truely hope this does not become a personal thing between us two as that makes no sence either I just postede how I found Simon to mabey show the people on here that there IS a lot about Simon that is OK too.
So please Al if I have really p#$$*d you off ring me or wait to we get together as I always seem to say things the wrong way when I have to type them. :D
Cheers KIM

[No eye deer]

i also read that article but can not figure out who it is. i have been on this site for 4 months now so should i know who it is. am i allowed to know or can someome tell me who it is. if my curiosity is going to far just let me know. i have one person in my mind that i think it could be.
john

Mate ,
I've been on this site for 2 YEARS and cant figure out who it is :D :D

(Just livin' up to my user name :lol: )

Mark

[Poppy]

NED it's probably best left that way. :)
Paul

[crazimofo]

sounds like he wasted his money buying all those custom bows,if he has to use a rifle, don't have much time for cheats,especially when it takes most people a fair amount of time and effort to take game like buffalo and deer,and do it for themselves not for the fame and glory..that's my opinion...


greg..

[Al Kidner]

G'day Kim,

Mate in no way did your comments or thread piss me off. Nor will this issue come between us...

But, when i talk to a rifle/bowhunter in a hunting store in Christchurch, New Zealand and even them lads, all the way over there are aware of what happend, kinda paints a sad picture of us aussie bowhunters and our values. :shock:

As for the kettle always being on... well things have had some light shone on 'em and I wouldn't be in his company again.

[wazza_X force]

this wasnt meant to turn into another was it right/wrong post about Simon Steele... it was about the moral behind Bill Bakers article...

if we want to do something for ourselves and not for others, which is what i prefer to do, why are you worried about what others have done to impress you??? he did what he did... it wasnt right... he was a nice bloke by the sounds of it.... but he did it, and it has well and truly come back to punish him...

just my thought, wazza

[Jobin]

i agree

[Hoyt_Trykon]

Simon is a good bloke ok guys. Just because he made that stupid mistake doesn't change him as a person. He has a great heart and remember God doesn't gudge people. Now lets get over what he has done, cummon, who really cares. If the rest of us do the right thing it doesn't matter wat the outsiders think as long as we know and the man upstairs (God) knows that we are doing the right thing. It is obvious tht we have learnt from his mistakes and based on the consequences i highly DOUBT that any of us or even Simon himself will repeat his actions.
Seriously.

Justin :wink: