CARBONS

[Sparra]

Gaday fella's...Just wondering what everyones thoughts are about using carbons out of a recurve or longbow???
Regards...Sparra

[hunting_mainiac]

wondering the same thing sparra!

[brian]

i've made up some goldtip arras (5575)with aquarium tubing slipped inside - they weigh right on 650gs with 125gr tips and fly great out of my newell defiant 60lbs. just make sure they are a good tight fit so they dont rattle around in the arra - you'll probably have to shop around a bit. to get the tubing into the shaft i had to thread strong fishing line through the end and pull them thru. i find if you can just slip them in they're probably to smaller diameter- although you may get luck and find something that slips in and is fairly tight. i would not recomend shooting carbons stocko out of trad gear - they're just too light for my liking.

[outback preditor]

a mate of mine shoots carbons with no extra weight out of his 65lb recurve and has no probs. up the cape a couple years ago he dropped a few bulls with them. they were going in up to the fletches through the rib area to my surprise. every one he got were one arrow kills.
i also just got a dozen gold tips for my recurves because poc shafts are crap these days. i am rapped how well they shoot.
cheers pedro.

[Glenn]

Sparra I think that you should shoot whatever you feel you get the best results with, and if those materials give you the most amount of confidence out in the field then all the more reason to use them.
I have tried all types of shaft material over the years but I have never shot anything I like better than wood...Glenn...

[woody]

Carbons work pretty good out of trad equipment bows, I think they have a fast recovery rate dynamic spine, they just seem to get on track pretty quick, thats my impression of them anyway.

I prefer about 9/10 grains /pound of bow weight, so if I was using carbons the light weight would have to be modified.

Gold tips have a weight insert system which basically lets you build them as heavy as you like.

Have a look at this link, http://www.goldtip.com/ and check out the gold Tip site. Their "Traditional XT" finish shafts look pretty cool. :D

[brian]

there are also those grizzly stix arras made in the us somewhere - reeaallly heavy stocko weight but probably a bit pricey. for me those goldtips at 650gs are pretty much the perfect general hunting arra. woody - i know exactly wat u mean about carbons straightening up quick - fast recovery - i can think of a few possible reasons for this. they just seem to be really forgiving even when not at optimum dynamic spine for a certain bow - they'll still shoot ok.

[Sparra]

Gaday Brian...Goldtips at 650???How long are they and what weight head do you use or have you added weight tubes????
Regards..Sparra

[Sparra]

Thanks for that Coachy!!!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Glenn]

That would all depend on what species of timber was used to make the wood shaft Coach. A 5\16 purple heart shaft could weigh as much as a 3\8 POC shaft...Glenn...

[Glenn]

Christ your tuff Coach, I normally shoot wooden shafts made from silver quangdong and my 27 inch shafts when barreled tapered weigh around 600 grains and when I foot them that brings them up around the 700 grains. Same diameter sitka spruce shaft will only weigh 500 grains. There are so many varaibles with timber even of the same species. The weight of POC shafts can vary as much as 100 grains with shafts of the same diameter and spine...Glenn...

[Axe]

G'Day all,
I have been an advocate of timber shafts for many years, with great success (had this idea -Not wood, Not Traditional) recently I thought I'd give carbons a go! Using 68#Huntsman & 72#B/Widow recurves, arrow weight of 660grns, includes Tusker Aztec or Javelin. Have found great results with flight, penetration, not to mention the toughness of these things, I am convinced this is the way to go. Still have some POC shafts that will get used but from now on I buy carbons. :D
P.S. I achieve weight by inserting 4mm dowel up the guts of carbon shaft. I believe to shoot these (as with any arrow) without having at least 8grns per lb of bow weight would be risking delamination of limbs on trad bows.

[Glenn]

There are some serious issues with timber shafts and penetration on game. You used to be able to buy 75# shafts in 11/32 dia no problems and I still have some of these shafts from the early 70's but over the years as the quality of POC shafts went down the manufacturer had to mill POC thicker to achieve the same spine so it became more common to use the 23/64 and 3/8 shafts just to get the spine you wanted. The trouble with this is that the shaft dia is larger than the ferrel of the braodhead which normally 11/32. This would and does in my opinion greatly increasd friction and reduce penetration.
I stopped using POC years ago and bought locally made 5/16 ramin dowles for hunting and found that penetration went up considerably.
But what I do now with my POC for hunting is I barrel taper them to reduce the thickness of the shaft on both ends as much as 5/16 and I have found thatby doing this the results on game are much better that shooting a parallel shaft. I will always use timber shafts because I really enjoy the crafting side of my bowhunting, some Australian timbers make better shafts that POC anyway, it's a pity that Aussie timbers weren't tried many years ago...Glenn...

[FentonW]

Have been using carbons out of trad bows for years now Goldtip, Vapor Carbonwoods, Grizzstiks, Easton Epics and now Carbon Express and have only found good attributes. Firstly I don't give a rats about being Traditional or not, I just like hunting with these types of weapons. I have always weighted these shafts for a min total wieght of at least 600rns. My newest recurve (67# Robertson Stykbow) is shooting a Carbon Express Heritage 350 with 260 grains up front for a total wieght of 600 grns as sweet as can be, cannot wait to test it out over Easter. I won't go back to wood accept for trad shoots that require them. I am not saying wood is ****, just for me at the moment carbons do it for me, who knows next year wood may.
Cheers, Fenton.

[pete w]

I shoot mostly carbons.They are cheaper in the long run and much straighter and stronger than wood or aluminum.
I use easton Epics with the muzzy 100 gr brass inserts, toped off with heavy broadheads.175 gr Tusker Aztecs and 100 gr steel adapters.
They give perfect flight from my quicker bows .
On the slower bows i use the brass inserts and woody's 130 gr supremes.Again perfect flight.

[HOOD]

I am using carbons out of my 55# takedown and they work a treat.
Just get the goldtip traditional shafts with the wood grain finish on them and no one will be the wiser :roll: hehehehehehe

Hood 8)