Raw Meat

[Roland.]

Anyone ever eaten their fresh kill raw?
I've been watching 'Man vs Wild' and he is always eating his fresh kill raw.
Apparently a lot of health fanatics eat the liver raw because it has many health benefits over cooked liver.

How does it taste?

How much of an animal would you feel like if you killed your deer then ran up to it and just started eating the **** out of it. haha

[kelpie]

mate in my family when you shoot your first deer you have to eat the hart raw try it it tastes nice and fresh

[bobzila]

ted nudgent go's out and shoots a deer and eats it raw befor he does a consert

[Roland.]

mate in my family when you shoot your first deer you have to eat the hart raw try it it tastes nice and fresh

Awesome! I can't wait to get my first deer.

[Aimless]

Haha, this definitely helps the reputation of Hunters, eating hearts raw :P

I'm a big fan of Man Vs. Wild though. Even though a lot of it is set up and it's filmed all out of sequence he still teaches some valuable stuff, the show is entertaining and its got some great scenery.

I've seen him eat fish raw a few times, but I can't remember episodes where he eats meat completely raw.

Cool show though :P

[danrulz01]

Isn't there risk of disease from eating raw meat? :confused: i know poultry is a big no no.

[Roland.]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qdkX7KG-tlg Mmmm Zebra

Yeah great show! I know it's set up but I still love it.

[Roland.]

Isn't there risk of disease from eating raw meat? :confused: i know poultry is a big no no.

If it's fresh and the animal is disease free it should be good.

[Evil Taco]

pretty good show but somthings anoy me... like when he walks up to a wild horse and trys to ride it..?

"i will be thrown out into the wild with only a water bottle, knife and a flint..... and this camera team will follow me"
he probally sleeps in a tent after all the filming is done...

[NormGunston]

Inuit people do not have vegie gardens. They eat much of their meat-based diet raw. A lot of nutrition is lost through cooking.

[jindydiver]

A lot of nutrition is lost through cooking.


What would you call "a lot"?

[NormGunston]

What would you call "a lot"?
DAMMIT! Why do you have to call me on this stuff! Now I have to go and research... I suspect you want figures...
O.K., 33.9% of dietary fibre is lost when beef is subjected to temperatures over 90 deg.
27% of iron is lost from red meat when cooked for more than 5 mins over 90 deg.
I'm really not making this up...

[Roland.]

I heard the cooking of meat causes carcinogens to form and kills some of the enzymes that help you digest all the goodness.

[NormGunston]

Roland, I hope this isn't detracting from the intention of your thread...
Raw versus cooked meat
Monday, May 31 2004 - Dossier: General

The choice of eating cooked or raw meats is a quite difficult one. Here are some factors to consider:

- Increases strain on the liver
From: www.ahoa.org.au/cgi-bin/cgiforum.pl?action=showentry&thesection=default&entry=1490&start=15&end=0 (http://www.ahoa.org.au/cgi-bin/cgiforum.pl?action=showentry&thesection=default&entry=1490&start=15&end=0)
Our digestive effort must be greater with raw meat. Also, the fact that no heat denaturation has taken place probably means that more polypeptides, rather then simple amino acids, will be transported to the liver, which then must further digest them, because certain polypeptides are not welcomed in the blood. Both liver and blood contain many enzymes which remove polypeptides rather fast, but that means that when we eat raw meat the liver must work harder.

+ Uncooked foods contain more solar magnetism than cooked foods
From: www.rosicrucian.com/2qa/2qaeng03.htm#question52 (http://www.rosicrucian.com/2qa/2qaeng03.htm#question52)
The more directly food comes to us from the soil, the more solar magnetism it contains. Consequently, it ''stays with us'' the longest when eaten uncooked. When food has gone through the process of cooking, a part of the ether it contained is lost, as a number of the finer particles are dissolved by heat and ascend in the kitchen as odor from whatever food it comes. Consequently the cells of cooked food remain a shorter time as a pert of our body than in the case of an uncooked food, and food which has already been assimilated by the animal has very little chemical ether of its own (except milk which is obtained by a vital process and has a greater quantity of ether than any other food).

- On the other hand, in the dead flesh of animals this solar magnetism is gone
From: www.rosicrucian.com/2qa/2qaeng03.htm#question52 (http://www.rosicrucian.com/2qa/2qaeng03.htm#question52)
Hence with regard to the flesh of animals it may be said that most of the chemical ether in the fodder has gone into the vital body of the animal before it was killed, and at its death the vital body leaves the carcass. Therefore flesh putrefies very much quicker than vegetables and ''stays with us'' only a short time after we eat it.

+ Heating proteins cause them to cross-link and form mutated proteins
From: www.13.waisays.com/cooking (http://www.13.waisays.com/cooking)
Due to heat, preparing food originates new substances. Most of these new substances originate from proteins reacting upon carbohydrates. Some of these substances cause cancer, or brain diseases, and impair neurotransmitter function and metabolism.
To be able to grow old and healthy, you need to consume as little prepared food. (prepared proteinacous food in particular).

+ Raw foods contain the naturally available enzymes
Raw foods are on the other hand easier to digest because they contain the natural enzymes. Heating destroys these enzymes. However, it's uncertain if these enzymes survive the stomach acid.

+ Raw fats have better properties than heated fats
Raw fats have much better cleansing / detoxification properties than heated fats. Also all poly-unsaturated fats (and also mono-unsaturated) fats are damaged by heating and cause massive amounts of free radicals.

+ Raw foods contain less free radicals
Heating increases chemical reaction speed and significantly increases the forming of free radicals.

+ Raw foods contain more vitamins
Heating destroys specific vitamins, so raw foods contain more vitamins</B>

- Heating de-activates certain anti-nutrients
For example, raw egg-whites contain anti-nutrients (avidin www.provet.co.uk/health/diseases/eggwhite.htm (http://www.provet.co.uk/health/diseases/eggwhite.htm) ) which hinder the absorption of B-vitamins. When cooked this anti-nutrient is deactivated.

+ Eating raw means no risk of nickel/aluminium or Teflon poisoning
There seems to be no safe metal/material to cook in without risking poisoning

[Roland.]

Thanks for the info Norm, this is exactly what I want to be discussed in this thread. Do you eat raw meat yourself?

I have spoken to people who have eaten fresh raw meat for over three years and report increased energy and stronger immune system.

I have always eaten raw eggs blended in milk because they are more anabolic then cooked ones. Thats why Rocky eats them raw:)(what a feminine looking smiley)

[NormGunston]

Do you eat raw meat yourself?

Only on a full moon. Great with a Bloody Mary chaser.

[spiderbait24]

Only on a full moon. Great with a Bloody Mary chaser.

lol good one norm.

[Aimless]

"i will be thrown out into the wild with only a water bottle, knife and a flint..... and this camera team will follow me"
he probally sleeps in a tent after all the filming is done...

Sorry to take the thread a little off topic, but he's admitted to staying in hotels quite a few nights, had additional help etc etc. There are a few articles about it around. It's also filmed out of sequence so events don't necessarily happen in order, and of course it skips past a lot of his travel time.

I don't think it takes too much away from the show though, it's still entertaining and like I said he teaches a fair few useful lessons. And it would suck to jump in a freezing lake as well :P

[Paliadon]

Ah yes, the old raw meat eating trick. As long as the animal is fit and healthy, there is no dramas, just do the norm and check kidney, heart, lungs liver, stomach and bowels for worms, etc... Also, if the animal looks healthy, it more than likely is healthy.

Sick animals are easy to spot.

[Steven]

That's a big fat negatory on the raw meat for me thanks. the closest I'll go to raw is medium rare steak at the Hogs Breath. Mmmmm, Steak.....

Steven

[jindydiver]

Sick animals are easy to spot.


Not always true. You can't tell if an animal is carrying Q fever for instance.

The only raw meat I eat is jerky or saltwater fish

[mickus]

Years ago in my younger less intellegent days!!!

My mates and I decided to cook some frozen steak on the barbie plate whilst camping, no probs you say...We were all a little bit, oh well alot drunk, hence the steak was burnt on the outside and completely raw in the middle.

I suppose that counts as eating raw meat.
hehehehe.

[Aimless]

Hah, yeah I dunno. I'm a big fan of japanese food and that includes a lot of completely raw fish on its own, and quite a lot of raw beef as well, though sometimes it has a bit of stuff to flavour it.

I guess there's a difference between what you assume to be high quality, healthy meat given to you all nicely cut in a restaurant, and eating some right out of an animal you've just killed in the bush :P

I'll have to think about this one.

[Jeremy87]

I like a good medium rare steak, love jerky and will eat fish like tuna and trevally as sushimi (trevally imo is seriously underrated as a sushimi fish, much milder flavour and easier to eat in quantities than the old yellowfin or longtail). If i went to a resturant and one of the dishes had raw meat i would eat it, but wouldn't risk consuming uncooked or uncured meat from something i just shot.

[jindydiver]

If i went to a resturant and one of the dishes had raw meat i would eat it, but wouldn't risk consuming uncooked or uncured meat from something i just shot.

I feel the other way round on the whole "shot" or "bought" thing. I know the provenience of any meat I harvest myself, but the stuff at the restaurant has been through too many hands before mine.

[Jeremy87]

I can understand that logic aswell provided that you know your game well and were skilled in the butchering and prep of the meat (things which i am not, but i can fillet off a fish pretty well). At least you can cause a stink if you get food poisoning at the resturant.

[Roland.]

Most Japanese restaurants offer fish and beef sashimi(raw) so I can't see the problem.

Is there a guide on inspecting your meat?

[johnno]

Personally I like my steak "blue" which is basically just sealed on the outside and raw inside..(also known as "knock its horns off, wipe its arse and throw it on a plate) However, if you want to try the full monty with the "raw" thing try marinating your fresh fish and thinly sliced beef in lemmon juice..to achive the"sashimi" affect....bon-apatit.....;)

[AdamK]

I love raw meat. It MUST be properly prepared and fresh though.

I consumed a good portion of freshly speared kingfish yesterday morning, and enjoy doing the same thing with Bonito and numerous other species across the spearing season. Bonito below-
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Steak tartar, and kibbe (lebanese raw beef dish) are delicious too. I have not ventured beyond raw beef, but have eaten cured horse, deer, buffalo, & pig.

I also have no problem knocking back a few witchety grubs as an appertiser when out bush. They taste nutty raw-
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and like egg when cooked with butter & garlic.
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